God is not to Mock

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Shibolet said:
Oh no! Hellenism of the time of Socrates and Plato was a wonderful culture to teach Philosophy; but the religious connotation of Hellenism is what brought a lot of pain to those who would not bend their knee to the Greek gods of the Olympian Pantheon of Greek Mythology.
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So Christianity is Greek Mythology, and the single purpose of Christianity was to convert everyone into Greek...something? God having a physical manifestation on earth makes the whole religion Greek? I know you have a point but I really can't see it.
 
Yeah me too. How did the Olympian pantheon get into this???? Just because it was Hellenists that were teaching the new religion on the block doesn't mean they were worshippers of Greek Gods. Their philosophical foundation of their teachings may have been Greek, but the religion itself most definitely was not.
 
Shibolet said:
No, we don't care at all if they did not use a Jew to preach against Judaism. Jesus was a Jew whose Faith was Judaism and the NT has made of him a demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman as if Greek Mythology was possible in Judaism.
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To be fair, that wasn't the NT at all, there is nothing there that says Jesus was God.

That is something Caesar declared to justify his own divine status when he declared himself Vicar of Christ and thus the first Pope.

The Catholics would have you believe the Pope is of Peter, no!

Further, these Popes have declared themselves higher than God, more important than Jesus... all sorts of things have come from their mouths...

This is really the findings that caused Protestant founders to declare Rome the anti-Christ, and indeed the very texts back this up.

I am not a Christian, I have always distanced myself from the Abrahamic line, but certainly the Muslims seem to be more correct about who Jesus really was. There is even precedent in the lost Gospels of what they say happened to Jesus (getting traded for another man).

Then, I am still unclear how this helps me?

I would rather burn in hell for eternity than live my life based on another mans words.
 
For me, the only sense I can really make of the Abrahamic line is the light Gnostics shine on it.

They make this God of the Bible the Demiurge and use him to explain why so much is wrong here. They blame the creator rather than the created, which for me seems to make more sense.

This aligns more with Indian thought about Maya.

It also makes the True God similar to Brahman.

I cannot look at our world and say it is the work of a perfect God.

If he knew this would happen, why give man free will? Why place the tree of knowledge in Eden?

Nothing about the Christian story makes any sense at all.

Unless you begin to consider this God an imposter, delusional, closer to Satan than truth...

Following this line of thought is hard for most Westerners, perhaps... it aligns perfectly with Eastern thought.

Mahavir and Buddha have both sent God away.

Shankara has talked of Ishvara (LORD, creator) as an early arising in consciousness that thinks he is the source of power etc...

Tao te Ching simply says Tao is before God.

I say these things to put forth this:

Only when you throw away "God" can you begin genuine pursuit of truth.

Before then, you are just obeying your Master.

Truth is finding the Master within you.
 
Seriously though, if this guy is all powerful, why'd he get so mad that no one was listening?

Why not just make them listen again, why kill everything - including innocent animals etc.

It hasn't even worked, because Sodom and Gomorrah had to be destroyed later...

Based on my knowledge of Greece and Rome, I am not sure why they still exist, let alone Vegas and the like...

He must be seething!

This is not much of a God at all :/
 
wil said:
Exactamentary!! Hence the reason to look at it metaphorophysically or discount it all together.
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Certainly, I lean towards the latter.

Perhaps once God was a meaningful word, but today it has no value.

The sad thing is people think you can't have religion without this notion.

I tell you religion cannot even happen with it.

Making God other, you retain duality.

Religion means "re-bind".

You cannot rebind and retain the separation.

Merging, you and God are both thrown away.

Life remains, whole, complete.

God exists only in your mind.

As do you.
 
A Cup Of Tea said:
So Christianity is Greek Mythology, and the single purpose of Christianity was to convert everyone into Greek...something? God having a physical manifestation on earth makes the whole religion Greek? I know you have a point but I really can't see it.
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Christianity is akin to Hellenism, yes, but they have organized a religious system with a lot of Greek Mythology.

God has no physical manifestation whatsoever. God is a Spirit as Jesus himself said in John 4:24. Spirits don't have corporeality.

I know I have a point and, if you keep focusing you will eventually realize what's about.
 
Shibolet said:
Christianity is akin to Hellenism, yes, but they have organized a religious system with a lot of Greek Mythology.

God has no physical manifestation whatsoever. God is a Spirit as Jesus himself said in John 4:24. Spirits don't have corporeality.

I know I have a point and, if you keep focusing you will eventually realize what's about.
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God is not a spirit :/

God is THE spirit... there are not two.

Souls are separate, the idea is to merge soul back into spirit.
 
Devils' Advocate said:
Yeah me too. How did the Olympian pantheon get into this???? Just because it was Hellenists that were teaching the new religion on the block doesn't mean they were worshippers of Greek Gods. Their philosophical foundation of their teachings may have been Greek, but the religion itself most definitely was not.
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Akin to, I said. For instance, the Greek myth of the demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman. Christianity teaches that as a dogma of faith in Mat. 1:18 and Luke 1:32.
 
Soul means psyche... the identifications that sustain your self-image are keeping you separate.

Spirit means breath... life... life is one, cannot be divided in any way.

Separation is nowhere but the mind... otherwise all is one energy field.

Meditate on this and you will find God.
 
SatyamAbhidi said:
To be fair, that wasn't the NT at all, there is nothing there that says Jesus was God.

That is something Caesar declared to justify his own divine status when he declared himself Vicar of Christ and thus the first Pope.

The Catholics would have you believe the Pope is of Peter, no!

Further, these Popes have declared themselves higher than God, more important than Jesus... all sorts of things have come from their mouths...

This is really the findings that caused Protestant founders to declare Rome the anti-Christ, and indeed the very texts back this up.

I am not a Christian, I have always distanced myself from the Abrahamic line, but certainly the Muslims seem to be more correct about who Jesus really was. There is even precedent in the lost Gospels of what they say happened to Jesus (getting traded for another man).

Then, I am still unclear how this helps me?

I would rather burn in hell for eternity than live my life based on another mans words.
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For a Moslem to say that there is nothing in the NT stating that Jesus was God, you must be an expertise in the NT. Well, I hate to rain on your parade but, take a look at I John 5:20. The text says that "Jesus is the true God and eternal life."

If you want another one, the guy who wrote the gospel of Matthew says to teach all the nations to baptize in the name of the Father (God), in the name of the son (god) and in the name of the Holy Ghost (God). That's in Mat. 28:19.
 
Shibolet said:
For a Moslem to say that there is nothing in the NT stating that Jesus was God, you must be an expertise in the NT. Well, I hate to rain on your parade but, take a look at I John 5:20. The text says that "Jesus is the true God and eternal life."

If you want another one, the guy who wrote the gospel of Matthew says to teach all the nations to baptize in the name of the Father (God), in the name of the son (god) and in the name of the Holy Ghost (God). That's in Mat. 28:19.
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You understand you're adding your own meaning to that?

For what it's worth though, the Hindu's have a similar thing:

Bhagwan: Son
Brahman: Father
Paramatma: Holy Spirit

The difference? They don't pretend there is only one Bhagwan.

It is sort of the whole point of the religion.

I am simply saying that it is also the point of Christianity.
 
It is even the point of Islam, via Tawheed

There is nothing but God... but the Muhammadan does not surrender himself to this.

I have to call them Muhammadans because Muslim means one who has surrendered.

A Muslim is akin to a prophet, a Bhagwan, he is enlightened.

Believing in Muhammad gets you about as far as believing in Christ.

You have just added to your ego.
 
SatyamAbhidi said:
For me, the only sense I can really make of the Abrahamic line is the light Gnostics shine on it.

1 - They make this God of the Bible the Demiurge and use him to explain why so much is wrong here. They blame the creator rather than the created, which for me seems to make more sense.

This aligns more with Indian thought about Maya.

2 - It also makes the True God similar to Brahman.

3 - I cannot look at our world and say it is the work of a perfect God.

4 - If he knew this would happen, why give man free will? Why place the tree of knowledge in Eden?

5 - Nothing about the Christian story makes any sense at all.

6 - Unless you begin to consider this God an imposter, delusional, closer to Satan than truth...

Following this line of thought is hard for most Westerners, perhaps... it aligns perfectly with Eastern thought.

7 - Mahavir and Buddha have both sent God away.

Shankara has talked of Ishvara (LORD, creator) as an early arising in consciousness that thinks he is the source of power etc...

Tao te Ching simply says Tao is before God.

I say these things to put forth this:

8 - Only when you throw away "God" can you begin genuine pursuit of truth.

Before then, you are just obeying your Master.

9 - Truth is finding the Master within you.
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1 - God has nothing to do with what is wrong on earth. He created man straight but he went through many distortions. (Eccles. 7:29)

2 - Who or what is the true God?

3 - Perhaps because you "look" at God with anthropomorphic eyes.

4 - How did you want us all to be, like robots or the irrational animals?

5 - What do you care? You are not a Christian, are you? Their beliefs don't make sense to you but they do to them.

6 - Oh! So you believe in Satan? I don't. I see Satan only as a concept to illustrate the evil inclination in man. Just a concept, nothing real.

7 - I wonder if they still know what or who created the universe.

8 - If I get rid of God, how am I going to know what gave origin to the universe? I hope you know that the universe did not cause itself to exist. If it had a beginning it was caused by some thing of the size of the Primal Cause.

9 - But to cause the universe to begin, the Master must have been outside me. That's what I seek.
 
1 - Yes, a baby has not yet created ego, he still lives in union until his first memory which is the source of his separation.

2 - The True God is a notion of Gnosticism... I am not explaining their faith to you.

3 - I mean, the book has him talking to people... he has qualities like jealousy etc that are human in nature... it is not my doing.

4 - I am saying man as he is already is a robot.

5 - Do they? I would suggest most are born into it or simply know nothing else, so they feel this is the only way. I am suggesting belief as such is exactly the problem, though, it will not transform you inwardly.

6 - No, I have simply said Yehweh is closer to Satan than he is Godly.

7 - The Gnostics say Yehweh created it, and it is a horrible place because he is incompetent. None of the others say anything is responsible for the creation. Indeed, Buddha says dependent origination... that it was not any one thing.

8 - Your notion rests on a basic assumption: There was a beginning to the universe.

9 - No, you are creating the universe each moment!
 
SatyamAbhidi said:
1 - Seriously though, if this guy is all powerful, why'd he get so mad that no one was listening?

2 - Why not just make them listen again, why kill everything - including innocent animals etc.

3 - It hasn't even worked, because Sodom and Gomorrah had to be destroyed later...

4 - Based on my knowledge of Greece and Rome, I am not sure why they still exist, let alone Vegas and the like...

He must be seething!

5 - This is not much of a God at all :/
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1 - God is not like a man to get mad. Where did you get this idea?

2 - God is not like a man to kill. Only man kill man.

3 - The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with God. Those cities were just found to be on the wrong place at the wrong time.

4 - Wait! Their time will come too. Natural catastrophes happen everywhere.

5 - So, tell me who or what caused the universe to begin?
 
I do not believe in God or Satan or any stupid notion that pretends to give you answers.

If God is creator, who created God?

If God always existed, why can't the universe have always existed?

God is a pointless notion that adds nothing.

He is just a way of saying "I don't know".

It is better to say "I don't know" than to pretend you know the guy that did it.
 
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