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Topic? Is there a topic? Lacks precision. No willingness of OP to clarify. Welp those who wanted to have taken their shot. Have fun.

In other words - can these ideas possibly be construed as OTHER than UNGOOD - maybe even DOUBLE PLUS UNGOOD? (I'm trusting the reference is clear)

Is it? Processes in the world or at least many can be said to be systematic and therefore somewhat predictable. Is that what is meant? Or is rationality a capacity we have developed to help us cope with said world? What?

Maybe some kind of liminal space where oracles may speak to the dreamer... But I think some indigenous traditions like Australian Aborigines and possibly others may hold the idea of entering a spirit realm in dreams.

This isn't bad.

This isn't bad. Though I think this way is a little to limiting and either/or: noting: What if someone just doesn't think so? 🤔

I'm not sure how.

With organized religion being one of the methods.

I don't know why you keep saying stick with the monkey. Or keep reposting the link. This isn't telling me anything. Use some words. Spell things out. Or I am going to give up on thinking you are trying to have a serious conversation.

Though this has a political angle to it, at it's heart it's about religious freedom - who can have it, who cherishes it for all, and who doesn't. I did check in with iBrian about it and we decided to see how it goes. 2 related videos, one a reaction to the other. The first is Rev Ed Trevors...

Wait, they came from dust and WILL become dust, where do you see in the story that they became dust? This is good information

I doubt it, I'm sure it is poetic.

I think religion, as we understand it, has a lot of uses, social cohesion, social control, attempts to answer life's big questions, etc. If I were going to convince anybody of anything, I guess I wish that people recognized/acknowledged religions as theories, imperfect or incomplete theories...

Here are some pages I've run across recently, about the Jewish context of a closely related idea- Memra - that I know you reference later in this thread -with I think some overlapping references (I don't know if I looked it up because of your comments or whether it was one of those coincidences)...

It is not hard to imagine, speculate, or hope... if belief means being thoroughly convinced, though, that is harder, as theories are many, little hints may be many, but solid evidence that holds up to scrutiny is very hard to find. But also: Absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of...

Aren't there some belief systems which hold that dreamers enter, if not the divine, some supernatural world when in a dream state?

Religion specifically or people in general? Yeah that could use clarification Absolutely true.

Your original question doesn't make sense, that's why I'm asking. Maybe be a little more explicit about WHAT do you consider the good news? (The Christian Gospel is sometimes described that way, is that what you mean? Or do you mean something a little different or very different? Spell it out!)...

I'm not sure what they mean by this - also the smile in there sounded like he thought he was creating some kind of "gotcha" moment. If they are talking about whether or not to trust science, or the scientific method, I think it makes more sense to recognize that we trust what works, and keep...

This concept is helpful. I haven't seen anything spelled out like this before. Interesting and useful.