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Reminds me of steel drums (which they call a guitar, but it isn't a steel guitar...:rolleyes:)

I'm not complaining, merely sharing my experience, the previous 3 days there were extensive down times, the first two days for a few hours each, yesterday was well over 12 hours. I am grateful someone is on top of the situation, thank you for all of the hard work behind the scenes.

I'll go along with that. Not sufficient to change my path, but sufficient to better understand yours. Peace.

Let's look at this from another vantage point, keeping in mind you said, "Scripture doesn't say what actual day of thew week the Sabbath is ... man decided that?" Jesus and all other accounts note 3 days from the time he was laid to rest in the tomb of his uncle until he would arise...

It would appear the shift was from the "higher level," laying the ground work and justification for the divorce.

Nice try. "2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Genesis 2: 2-3...

I wouldn't want to be left...out. What kind of truth? Seems to me truth to Plato and Aristotle is the Earth was the center of the universe... ;)

That's the problem...there's zero scriptural reasoning. Clearly, there is reasoning, but it is not scriptural. Greek logical reasoning perhaps, but absolutely not scriptural. If the reasoning of the Church Fathers was scriptural...show me the scriptures. Shouldn't be difficult.

The difference being I have no agenda. ;)

You do realize this only goes to support what I've been saying? "What better way to hide in plain sight than to blend with the surrounding community and adopt their ways to a significant degree?" "...(I)t was men who changed all that (Sabbath and Holy Days), and the change conforms nicely with...

A well founded and historically supported opinion, but yes.

The same passage also notes there were some who did recant and lived to see another day. That education was Greek/pagan, that philosophy was Greek/pagan, and that lexicon was Greek/pagan. Immediately after Bar Kochba and the Diaspora, and into the next two hundred years Comme si, Comme sa...

Well said!

If I may ask, @Thomas , this is more up your alley anyway. You mention Platonists when I stumbled on Aristotle. Greek philosophy is outside my ken. Clue me in, Cliff's notes for dummies. What is the back and forth between Plato and Ari? I hope that doesn't come across too brusque, I am...

Judaizers and those who divorced Judaism I said, "What better way to hide in plain sight than to blend with the surrounding community and adopt their ways to a significant degree?" We know there were two distinct factions, at minimum: Arius and Athanasius. Could it be, possibly, that Arius...

I think this position is supported by the various and varying interpretations in praxis and dogma extent prior to Nicaea.

Indeed, so have I. I don't think they "sold out," it was a much more subtle shift than that, it was a matter of life or death. It was a matter of not rocking the boat. It was a matter of trying to survive with little or no political sway. History is written from the vantage of the...

Apparently the Jews were a lot more militant and willing to take up arms than I was previously inclined to think. I recall reading long ago of another uprising between the razing of the Temple and Bar Kochba, I found some info yesterday. Circa 115-117+/- Jews went on a rampage pretty much all...

True, but these guys were well after the formative years. I found it surprising that a significant portion of Judaism was willing to blend with the Greek...and the Septuagint is evidence of that, but I wasn't expecting to find a school promoting this amalgam. This before Paul was even born...

I suppose a good bit is perspective...such can also be interpreted as Christianizing Paganism. Baptizing it, in a manner of speaking as I've read before. ;)