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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    Case in point (and this may shed light on my willingness to be okay with “God function “ even though I do relate to it as an “Other,” because my normal thinking doesn’t go that deep, so it at least SEEMS like an other): Today at a church group gathering, a speaker testified how “God” gave her...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    Talib-al-kalim, Very important point you make here. I agree that if we look at the person as a whole being, we see or sense POTENTIAL, which may seem idealistic or “utopian,” but allows for the possibility of a positive self-fulfilling prophecy of improved human development.
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    Divinity or not, “God” or “God Function” (that could be from depths of mind), the main question is whether what is called “spirituality”, which includes a great deal of empathy and other things that allow us to wholeheartedly be and do “good”, is cultivated by one’s belief. Aupmanyav’s talk of...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    Thanks Light Within for the article. In Lynn McTaggart’s book, The Field, she sites research of a certain neuroscientist that led him to believe that some of memory even in animals must be stored non-locally. He basically chopped up animal brains and they were still able to how evidence of...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    I like that a lot. Will process the rest later. Thanks
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    Yes, I like your use of the phrase “different state of mind.” I once had a dream of my spirit carrying my own decapitated head around. Some here seem to call the spirit different than the mind (as symbolized by the head in the dream?) but I like the notion that it is as you indicated a...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    To me, accessibility and presence are functionally equivalent, and function is all we have to work with as physical beings who are of a different surface form than what lies deep within. The God function creates exotropy or neg-tropy in the midst of a reality prone to entropy.
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    I know we are guessing about metaphysics, but my best guess is that mind is a different dimension within the physical dimension, and as such is a portal to the “other side” that can be reached by going deep within directly, or indirectly by reclaiming a mental projection of the deeper dimension...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    Yes. I’m okay with the notion of a kind of other within, as long as we believe the mind can go there and use that information and energy. It seems to me, as I have said repeatedly in various dialogues here, that self and other make no sense deep within consciousness. I think there is a substrate...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    And what a divided world we create when we sit around and wait for saviors. What a waste to not use the very tool God gave us to unlock potential for growth and healing. The external locus of control has not served us all that well. If God is good, and power is secondary to that goodness, then...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    I continue to be plagued by a semantics issue when it comes to my use of the word “mind.” I blame it on psychology that I studied. Psychology does not limit “mind” to conscious mental activities. Perception, including emotional experiences (the “heart”) and all kinds of physical regulation...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    If mind senses what God reveals, then in my book (my way of seeing) God is at least in THAT mind. The mind has some characteristic that allows for the revelation. That CHARACTERISTIC is in mind. And if it is a doorway for God, unless God is a relative recluse and doesn’t visit many minds, then...
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    See. That left me scratching my head, willing to see how that works according to Thomas’ reasoning. So at least there is room for dialogue about that. If explained before, I either didn’t understand or I’ve forgotten. My guess is that you believe God transcends but includes mind. Whereas you...
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    Death is an illusion

    The many Gods branch of Hinduism is probably also caused by thinking in terms of discrete physical objects (what I call “thinking like matter”). Different functions related to different modes of energy or different “frequencies” are identified as separate Gods instead of understanding that they...
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    Death is an illusion

    I think that (about Hinduism) is true because it thinks like energy (that is, in terms of energy flows and fields, both of which are far more overlapping and interconnected than logic based on matter than tends to inhabit stand alone objects that have what Whitehead called “simple location.” The...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    I agree with that statement. Minds merge at their deepest level. And yes, duality has to go when or if mind senses a reality we call God. I’m not sure you and I are as on different pages as we appear to be. I think the human mind is a chip off the old Universal Mind Block. Our only difference...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    True. But the mind PERCEIVES, senses, that which is beyond conceptualization. It’s still the mind that senses God, and that’s all we have. Anything else is to anthropomorphize by projecting a category of otherness—something that human beings in relationship with each other and with classical...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    If a laptop computer accesses the Cloud while doing its computing, I consider that the computer’s potential, not just the cloud’s. The computer is my only way of utilizing the Cloud. Whether there is something outside of mind (the computer) is irrelevant as long as mind (the computer) is my only...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    Maybe we have a semantics issue? I think that anything sensed at a deeper level than conscious mental activity, and even deeper than the activity experienced during sleep/dreaming is still what I call mind, albeit a much deeper and purer level of mind that I would not be opposed to calling Mind...
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    Religion as Self Fulfilling Prophecy

    God’s grace is traditionally thought of as forgiving us of our sins. If sins are related to “missing the mark” morally and spiritually (stunted growth), then forgiveness seems related help, as a teacher or coach would help a student or player learn to better hit the marks/goals of whatever...
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