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If we had all stayed Jewish, or pagan, that would have been about it. It is dualism that pretty much traps the Western Mind.

There is nothing, I believe, to prevent that from being the case. Religion is a personal topic (really quite existential and experiential). I do not know of anyone who ever did that, so it is more likely religious notions are, to some extent, learned. Even Dàjiàn Huìnéng (who reached...

Try to get more discussions and exchanges going, I think

Thomas, my friend, well put. Where did the Western Mind go so very wrong? I do not know... dualism and both hatred of the flesh (see the Cathars) and hatred of the mind (see 99% of XXth century science). The problem is always empirical ("what is real"?) in nature. Is mere material monism...

The two problems are always the same: what is Real and who am I? Whether one reads the Gathas and rishis or Rufus Jones and Passion for Creation. Whether something as simple as the Gospel of Thomas or Dao te ching or as complex as Process and Reality or Star of Redemption. It is all the same.

Well, I for one will miss him... troll or not, multiposter or not, vain toilet fingers or not, he was fun, trying to get the social aspect going.

Unfortunately the classic church fathers are not taught. That is why I like the "fringe" thinkers... dualism is the ultimate damnation of all Christianity.

Nick, you really need to check out the religious society of friends. In the "liberal" group (we believe we are closer to George Fox's teaching than the programmed or evangelical Friends), the idea of one tent for pagans, native american, unitarians, etc make a lot of sense (having "their own...

ACOT. I too do not understand where this thread has gone. By what I see, everything is a study and astrology and phrenology are just incorrectly-based ones. Is theology? Nay, I think not. Theology, cosmology, and other metaphysical endeavors seem (to me at least) the only ones worth...

It is not knowing that is the start of wisdom. Ultimate Reality is what too many think there is. The only real reality is what we experience. The rest is smoke and mirrors.

Well, put Aup. I shall drop the Sanatana Dharma thing. Is Hinduism really known as it (as you indicate) throughout it's history? I guess I missed that in history. Good comment on Thomas' point. That is the problem for us Westerners... hard to get rid of that Greek influence, you know...

Quite well, in fact... The Julliard Quartet like his playing (especially his Mozart). Besides he was a Spinozan pantheist and a socialist (something pretty telling about his artistic bent). Oh, he hated and never understood quantum mechanics… but who does?

Am just going by what Jenna said. Ahmadiyya Islam, Dawoodi Bohra, and the Naqshbandiyya order are huge influences in both Pakistan and India, are they not? What do I have wrong here?

Aup, please expand on that...

Sahaja Yoga My Personal Spiritual Growth Is this the file you wanted to post?

A little bit... from the quote, one can see that time is central to Rosenzweig. And since time is Creation, Revelation and Redemption must be on-going processes. (He has dismissed classic timelessness). Similarly, he has put Man, World and God on equal footing (in terms of existence). So...

Thanks stranger!

Now on to Hilary Putnam and his introduction to Understanding the Sick and the Healthy. “The similarity between Rosenzweig’s criticism of philosophy and that of the later Wittgenstein extends also to their criticism of the metaphysician’s search for an account of the “essence” of things as a...

If the person is not there (something I believe), is that not peace ("quiet and tranquility")?

Well, I hate to say this, but and you will tell me that I am arrogant, suppose you do your own thinking and observing, and more thinking on your observation of religion in peoples, instead of always looking to read what other people think and want to share with you -- and usually you have to pay...