Satan accuses us before God

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  1. soleil10

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    If we commit even one sin, Satan, the devil, will immediately accuse us before God and say, “Because of this sin, this guy must go to hell.”
    Though Satan, who accuses human beings for their sin, has surely committed plenty of sins himself. Someone has to come forward to accuse Satan in front of God for his sins.
    If a person who can regain the original authority and stand in a position higher than Satan can come forth and say,” O absolute God! Satan has commited such and such unpardonable sins against humankind, and against You. Please punish him”.
    If God could not remove Satan even through this method, He would be on the side of Satan, not of humankind.
     
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    I'm sorry where do you get this from? If we commit one sin, Satan the devil will go immediately accuse us before God . What? Where OH where is this passage in the Bible. I take it the Bible is your athourity. If so where are these scriptures your speaking? I think I been reading the bible and studying for the last 29yrs and have yet to find these scriptures. You do know that according to the bible scriptures are the inspiered word of God. Please I am not being rude or putting you down I just want to know where are these scriptures??
     
  3. soleil10

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    In Hebrew, Satan means the accuser. Satan is trying ot bring us into hell. It is well illustrated in the bible if you look at the story of Job. Satan goes to God and challenges Him that no one is good. He wants to find something wrong with Job so he can accuse him before God.

    Satan is the celestial prosecutor
     
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    Yes Job. If you read Job very carefully you will see it is not Satan who challenges God about Job infact it is the other eay around. God ask satan "where have you been" satan "to and fro in the earth" God did you notice my servent Job? Right here you see it wasn't satan who spoke of Job first it was God. He is rightous and perfect. Satan. That is because you have bulit a hedge around him. Satan was not testing Job it was God testing Job. read it again.

    I can tell you nothing because you are blinded by the false man made doctrine. You believe in the fable hell where my loving God who's Son is the Saviour of All men 1 tim 2:4 is so weak He can't even save all His creation (man) What ashame it is when people bring God down to their level. God is all knowing, powerfull, full of grace and mercy, He is the Saviour of the world of all men not just a few. All men. read it it is everywhere in the bible. Hell is not a place. hell is mistraslated. hell, greek and hebrew sheol and hades never once is hell meant a place where God will send nonbelievers to be torture for all eternity. Jesus never taugh this. Also why is hell a place where God will barbaque man because they don't believe never meantion in the old testament. Not a word. Because the concept of a hell was never part of the teaching of the law of moses. This is nothing more than man made doctrine it has nothing to do with the word of God and His teachings.
     
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    Bishadi Interfaith Forums

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    Hell is man created. Think about it; your memories are bound to your mind (glial/neuron). When you return to the soil, the memories you think are bound to a soul, are not. Just ask any alzheimers patient, they meeting their own kids each time they visit.

    When you sleep, you are not making decisions. You are not consciously aware of being. The only difference of sleep and death is when you sleep you have another chance to live.

    not a good thing to waste on Hell

    create life and live longer

    Perhaps, find your favorite place on earth and spend some time there next week.... sure would like you to know heaven while you can!
     
  6. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Soli.... You give the example of job? If I look at the tale of job, I see a different story to you, I see a being that out smarts this god.... He gets free shots at gods "golden boy" and he takes those shots and laughs with every punch he pulls.....

    god should of been like "erm.... how about, no, satan.... ok?" But he "tempts" god ;) And god takes the bait.... Who knew... god is pretty much there standing behind satan cheering and raving and shouting things such as "don't forget to kick job in the nuts as he's getting up!"

    it ain't about obeying a book and a unwritten law of god..... being an accuser.... He just doest it "for teh lulz".
     
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    Well I think everybody gets a thumbs up just for looking into this matter. Not everybody does, you know? Very nice guys. Very nice work!
     
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    proverbs 27;11


    Be wise, my son, and make my heart rejoice, that I may make a reply to him that is taunting me.



    Jehovahs heart rejoices when an individual does what is right . and it gives an answer to satan .



    satan said to Jehovah that no one would serve God if things did not go well for them , but oh how wrong satan is.
     
  9. soleil10

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    Winner, where does guilt come from ? As soon as A&E fell, they felt shame. Satan tempts us and when we succumb to it, God looses but Satan wins. Satan can claim us before God.

    When Cain killed his younger brother Abel, it was a victory for satan. When we do God's will, He wins and Satan looses. Jesus was temped by satan and was victorious. Satan could not accuse him in front of God. The whole bible after the human' fall describes man's struggle to return to God and separate from satan. I do not understand why you would say that it is not scriptural.

    When you sin, don't you experience this voice inside of you telling you that you are a failure, that you are no good. That's what I meant. Satan can use our sins in front of God.
     
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    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Satan can win? Wow... You are the first christian that I know to ever admit that.... Nice work.... Here seriously, you get teh cookie.... That's awesome.

    Soooooo, *removes the pencil from behind his ear grabs a calculator and does sum somes...* Satan is currently winning then? By like...... Alot lol....

    I wonder how many Jobs there are in the world.... Hmmm.
     
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    The battle between God and satan had been an ongoing affair for a long time. Yes it is interesting that God trusted Job enough to challenge satan.

    I do not believe that God wants his children to go to hell for eternity. Where did I write something like that ? Can you show it to me.

    We can see clearly through the bible that God need man's cooperation

    A&E were given a commandement to follow. It was their responsibility. Aftre the human fall, all central figures in the bible, Noah, Moses, Abraham, John the baptist, Abel, Isaak etc.etc...all of them had to fulfill some condition of faith and obey God.

    Actually, God does not even judge us but our actions judge us.

    I think you project on me things that I have not written.
     
  12. winner08

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    A battle between God and Satan? Poor old god. with billions 0f people going to hell, I think god loss. not much of a god.
    God need mans coopration? like i said not much of a god if he needs puny man cooperation.
    the fall of man? so again not much of a god who creates mankind and then his creation fails. god seems he cant get anything right. not my God.
    MY God is not battling satan for souls. My God will saved everyone there are many scripture that proves this and I have stated them many time. theres no need to do it again.
    My God does not need mans cooperation on any matter what so ever. He is God and Is all sovergin.
    My God created man and knew before hand that man would sin. theres no supriseing my God. He knows the end from the beginning. theres no fall of man.

    I say this to you, I am not trying to offend I am just saying that I believe that God is much more than needing man for cooperation. God has more power than satan so why would He need to battle satan for souls? I just see God as much more than modern christiandom teaches.

    Darren
     
  13. Azure24

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    He's right!! And this is in verse....wait a minute!!

    soleil! Have you read this before?

    " ... those who are loving Him" will include ALL HUMANITY and all in the heavens" (Phil. 2:11).

    Get this guy. God trusted Job (a man)...Say soleil doesn't God say...

    "Put NOT your TRUST in princes, nor in the son of MAN, in whom there is no help" (Psalm 146:3).

    So God tells US to not put trust in the "son of man" but He does...This is not quite right...

    soleil my friend. The problem is not that you believe God does not want his children to go to a fabled hell. But that they will and there's nothing that God can do about it...

    Get this guy again!! God does not even judge us!! And he says this with confidence...Just where do you get this from because it's certainly not the Scriptures. Let's see what the Scriptures say...

    "Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man’s work shall be made manifest : for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is" (I Cor. 3:12-13).



    And just who is this "fire"? The "scriptures" tells soleil it is our actions...The Scriptures tell me...


    "For our God is a consuming FIRE" (Heb. 12:29).


    Maybe...But I speak for us all here, that YOU project things that the Scriptures have not written...


    P.S. Satan mean's "Adversary". That is his purpose by which God created...
     
  14. winner08

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    Theres a great scripture that shows that not one human will go to some fable hell. This scripture shows that ever man will be saved.
    1cor 3:13-15 Every man's work will be make manifest: for the day sall declear it. because it shall be revealed by fire, and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is, if any man's work abide which he hath bulit thereupon he shall recieve a reward. If any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss. BUT HE HIMSELF SALL BE SAVED yet so as by fire.
    if one reads this scripture and believes that scripture is the inspired word of God and that God does not lie, God does not change therefore His words do not change. Then it is not hard to understand that even though mans work might be burned it the lake of fire, yet HE WILL BE SAVED. By the same lake of fire. God will destroy and save by the way of the lake of fire.

    Darren
     
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    I tryed to fine some scripture on your title Satan accuses us before God,usaid that as soon as we commit a sin, Satan goes before God and says this guys needs to go to hell. Its unscriptural and a flat out falsehood. you really need to check out what the scriptures teaches and If you can find a scripture that backs up your claim I should would love to see it. I believe in the inspired word of God (scripture) and if scripture says as soon as we commit a sin satan runs and accuses of before God I will apoligize.

    Darren

    Darren
     
  16. soleil10

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    You did not understand what I was trying to say. Would you agree that Satan is trying to keep us away and separated from God ?

    When we commit a sin and feel guilty, we hear a voice inside of us accusing us of being no good and in contradiction to what we profess. Have you never heard Satan is our friend before the sin and God is trying to stop us but then God is our friend after we sin and Satan is accusing us. Satan can say to God. "See this believers they say they pove you meanwhile, they betray you all the time. I am keeping them right under my wings.

    "And the LORD said unto Satan, "Hast thou considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one who feareth God and escheweth evil?"

    Well I would call that a trustworthy man. Don't you. He then lost everything but did not betray God.

    What do you mean by "Get this Guy" ?

    2 Peter 3:12 tells us, "... the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!"

    Malachi 4:1 prophesied that Jesus' day would be a day of destruction by fire;

    In John 5:22 and John 9:39, Jesus is to cast fire upon the earth. But Jesus never brought about a judgment by literal fire.
    So what do these verses mean? They must have a symbolic meaning.

    In Jeremiah 23:29, God says that His Word may be likened to fire. Judgment by fire is really judgment by the Word, or Truth.

    In John 12:48, Jesus says, "'He who rejects me and does not receive my saying has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day.'"

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 says that "... the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth" which actually means by the Word.

    Similarly, Isaiah 11:4 says, "... and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips [the Word] he shall slay the wicked".

    John 5:24 says, "'... He who hears my word and believes him who sent me, has eternal life; he does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.'" From these versed, it is clear that judgment by fire means judgment by the Word.

    We all have a conscience. Our own sins judge us. The light of truth judges us. At noon there is no shadow. The videotape of our life is for all to see.

    God's truth is our judge. These scriptures make it very clear.

    I think that what I am saying makes much sense.
    (I deleted one of your quote by accident so I could not respond to it)sorry

    God cannot create evil. If He did there would never be an end to evil. That would not be a God of goodness. He would not be perfect and a God of true love.
    Lucifer lost his position during the human fall. He fell too. (That is another subject all by itself). As God "Adversary, he keeps telling God, we are no good when we sin and that we are on his side. That is what adversary do
     
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    So God is in control of everything that went wrong and one day may be in a miilion year, He is going to snap his fingers and everything will be perfect. That's great. Actually it was His plan that we all suffer, people are killed, miserable, sick and dying, hungry, selfish and he is control of all of it.
    Do you realize what you are saying ? And it is all in the scritptures according to you. That is quite amazing. That is a great God ! WOW...and He is our Father in Heaven on top of it.
    Winner, you really believe this ?

    Why do you think that I am attacking God and saying that is less powerful that Satan. God created Lucifer. He is part of his own creation.
    Man put satan in charge. Man has to regain his position before the fall and satan too.
    Because Gid is a God of love, it does not mean that he is weak. Parents love their children unconditionally. Look at the parabol of the prodigal son. He had to come back to his father. He had free will. He left but had to come back for his father who forgived him. His father needed his son cooperation.
    It is the same with God
     
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    The Accuser
    Revelation 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.

    The issue of whether or not there is a literal Hell where people and spirits will perish for all eternity is a whole other thread.
     
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    I don't get what you're asking here. Are you saying that people need to accuse Satan of his sins before God?

    Why... how is that Biblical?
     
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    Ben, the Messiah as the second Adam regains the authority that was lost by Adam during the human fall.

    The Messiah (Jesus) can accuse Satan in front of God. Jesus was victorious over Satan.

    God can remove Satan from the position he has usurped for so long because God is on the side of his children (mankind)

    During the process of the human fall A&E disobeyed God's words and choose to believe Lucifer's words instead. By doing so they volunteerely put Lucifer in a higher position and rejected God.

    We are in a midway position between God and Satan

    Man has to return to God and regain his position by separating himself from Satan. God cannot do that for us. The Messiah who is not connected to the fall is the one putting Satan back in his place. He can accuse Satan of his sins.

    Because of our sins, Satan has a case against us. He can accuse us back and tell God that we are not in a position to judge him. Look what we did.

    Sorry, it is a long explanation for just a few words
     

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