Dual prophecies for Jesus ?

[soleil10]

Isaiah 53 announces a Messiah of suffering
Isaiah 61 predicts a Messiah of Glory

In Luke 4:16-21 Jesus at the beginning of his ministry picks up the scroll in the Synagogue and chooses to recite Isaiah 61:1-2.

He then say: "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."

For me this means that at the beginning of his ministry Jesus told clearly that he came to fulfill Isaiah 61.

I also believe that God knowing that we could fail in receiving him and reject him predicted a second prophecy(Isaiah 53)

What is your opinion ?

 

[lunamoth]

Jesus was glorified in his death on the cross.

20 Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the Festival. 21 They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. "Sir," they said, "we would like to see Jesus." 22 Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus.

23 Jesus replied, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24 Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25 Those who love their life will lose it, while those who hate their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

27 "Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name!"

Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, "This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up [g] from the earth, will draw all people to myself." 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

34 The crowd spoke up, "We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, 'The Son of Man must be lifted up'? Who is this 'Son of Man'?"

35 Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Those who walk in the dark do not know where they are going. 36 Put your trust in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

 

[Quahom1]

Isaiah 53 announces a Messiah of suffering
Isaiah 61 predicts a Messiah of Glory

In Luke 4:16-21 Jesus at the beginning of his ministry picks up the scroll in the Synagogue and chooses to recite Isaiah 61:1-2.

He then say: "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."

For me this means that at the beginning of his ministry Jesus told clearly that he came to fulfill Isaiah 61.

I also believe that God knowing that we could fail in receiving him and reject him predicted a second prophecy(Isaiah 53)

What is your opinion ?

Dual prophecies, good possibility.

Isaiah 53 could be a prophecy describing the suffering man puts Jesus through, and the results of that suffering (for our actual benefit).

It is also the plight of Israel 700 years before Jesus.

Isaiah 61 could be a prophecy of the coming of Jesus to restore and sooth, as well as Cyrus bringing relief to Judah and Israel (captured by Babylon).

 

[Nick_A]

Isaiah 53 announces a Messiah of suffering
Isaiah 61 predicts a Messiah of Glory

In Luke 4:16-21 Jesus at the beginning of his ministry picks up the scroll in the Synagogue and chooses to recite Isaiah 61:1-2.

He then say: "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing."

For me this means that at the beginning of his ministry Jesus told clearly that he came to fulfill Isaiah 61.

I also believe that God knowing that we could fail in receiving him and reject him predicted a second prophecy(Isaiah 53)

What is your opinion ?

Jesus had to be rejected. There was no choice. If he wasn't rejected he would have been doing something wrong. The world must hate the message. There is no choice. Jesus must be both the messiah of suffering and of glory.

 

[soleil10]

Jesus had to be rejected. There was no choice. If he wasn't rejected he would have been doing something wrong. The world must hate the message. There is no choice. Jesus must be both the messiah of suffering and of glory.

So all the people that did not have faith in him, persecuted him, rejected him, killed him were doing God's will.

If Herod could have killed him when he was just a baby, he would be a saint today according to you. Why did God wait 4000 years to prepare for Jesuse coming. Jesus coud have come earlier and be killed faster that way.

We need to make Judas a saint ASAP.

Jesus must have been a fool for trying to have people believing in him, knowing that he came to be killed.

Your comment does not make any sense to me

 

[soleil10]

Jesus was glorified in his death on the cross.

23 Jesus replied, "The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24 Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25 Those who love their life will lose it, while those who hate their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.

27 "Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28 Father, glorify your name!"

Then a voice came from heaven, "I have glorified it, and will glorify it again." 29 The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

30 Jesus said, "This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up [g] from the earth, will draw all people to myself." 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

34 The crowd spoke up, "We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, 'The Son of Man must be lifted up'? Who is this 'Son of Man'?"

35 Then Jesus told them, "You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Those who walk in the dark do not know where they are going. 36 Put your trust in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light." When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.

Jesus was glorified by God and he glorified God. He was not glorified by the people who had been prepared to receive him.
Being rejected, Jesus stopped proclaiming "the Kingdom is a hand".

Jesus then went the way of the cross which became God's secondary will. At Gethsemane he was still hoping there would be a way to fulfill his original mission for God.

With no other option, Jesus went the way of the cross. At the cross Satan killed his body but could not defeat his spirit. Jesus was victorious spiritually and brought spiritual salvation to all humanity.

The disciples who lived with him daily were confused. It was not the ending they had expected.