The great beast

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  1. greymare

    greymare New Member

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    So, tell me,, this is an open invitiation... what exactly is this great beast that particularly 2 posters often refer too.........
    go on...
    Im all ears........
    Oh, and in simple terms if you please. :D
     
  2. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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  3. greymare

    greymare New Member

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    thank you s/g, but i need specifics as to what these posters are continually referring to.. (im a bit thick.. lol)
     
  4. c0de

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    Depends on who you're asking Tracy.
    People interpret the same concept in
    their own way. So the "specifics" will
    be different.
     
  5. greymare

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    oh, im open to all opinions... shoot !
     
  6. greymare

    greymare New Member

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    revelations is a bit too flowery for me... i need to know what people are talking about, EXACTLY..
    i mean i could say the great beast is...
    anyone who doesnt agree with me,, but i want to know specifics as to why SOME people believe that it refers to certain groups etc...
     
  7. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    All I can give you is my own interpretation, which is open to change with new information and perspectives:

    Basically, I see "worshiping the great beast" as striving to further ones status in a hierarchical structure, or to increase the power of a hierarchical structure, even to the point of going dirty deeds to accomplish this. (So-called honor killings, excusing those in authority from wrongdoing in order to preserve the hierarchy, and other "beastly acts" would be included in this.) Notice how the "beast" in Revelation is given "authority" by the dragon? In this way, people who "worship the beast" are showing that they love power and status more than they love Godly mercy.
     
  8. greymare

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    so, that could be world power organisations?
     
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    It is kinda like the idea of "anti-christ". Some people prefer to interpret this
    idea literally, while others (like myself) take a metaphorical approach.
    I don't like the term "the beast" or "anti-christ", so I just call it
    The System, or "The Machine" like Spengler did.

    Basically (in the words of Morpheus from The Matrix):

    "It is the world that has been pulled over
    your eyes to blind you from the Truth...
    I can not show you what it is, you have
    to see it for yourself"
     
  10. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Yep. Anything that people can use to justify their acting like beasts, rather than humans.
     
  11. Nick_A

    Nick_A Interfaith Forums

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    I wrote this a while back for another site. Hope it helps.

    Society is the "Great Beast." The image of the Great Beast is most valuable for describing what I believe to be the most severe challenge to the essence of religion and man's humanity we will face in this and future generations if we are to survive the dangers of technology in the hands of egotism..

    Simone Weil described Plato's introduction of this image which occurs in Revelations as well and builds on the idea as illustrated in this collection of excerpts:


    I know this last paragraph is rough to take but if you consider it in the context of Plato's conception of justice or the Eastern idea of karma, do we accomplish anything by hating justice or karma rather than being open to its reality and consider how we can profit from becoming aware of the human condition in the context of human evolutionary potential rather then justifying continuing cyclical expressions of human weakness through periodic condemnation?

    If society as the Great Beast keeps us in chains in Plato's cave, how can we deal with it? Jacob Needleman explains his concerns in the preface to his book "Lost Christianity:"



    Where the Beast strives to be idolized thus preserving its power, Prof Needleman suggests Man's purpose to be more than just serving the Beast. But of course suggesting this to representatives of the Beast can lead to disastrous consequences as Socrates describes in Plato's Cave analogy:



    According to Simone Weil, society can either serve as an idol or a sacrament. The Beast can either serve the development of human potential, conscious evolution, or cause Man to sacrifice its potential for the glory of the Beast and the prestige it offers.




    Simone Weil wrote the book: "The Need for Roots" as she was dying as her recommendations for rebuilding France after Hitler's devastation. It includes much food for thought.

    She compares a human being to a plant. Where the roots are planted in the ground, the culture, receiving one quality of nourishment, the leaves receive the nourishment of the light: grace." Our lower selves can be healed or "balanced" through cultural values that encourage our higher selves to become more open to grace. Of course this is far easier said than done and in fact may now be impossible.

    Where the beast now denies grace by keeping man dominated by imagination, it would be possible for its values to emphasize, including in its educational institutions, the means for receiving the light at the expense of imagination. The society would then serve the development of true individuality that is now sacrificed to the Beast in exchange for prestige and perceived security. She examines these values and I could post them if there is interest.

    Could the collective become open to such ideas? I hope so. Men like Prof. Needleman try so hard to open us to them. Simone gave her life in pursuit of the truth so can we really just ignore them as is usual in the quickness of a modern technological life or is there a way to begin to change the beast from an idol to a sacrament by beginning with ourselves? Any ideas?
     
  12. wil

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    the material ego...
     
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    Hmmmm... one might say you merely "quoted" it.

    Had Simone Weil never existed, would Nick_A disappear from the face of the Earth as well?
     
  14. wil

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    hmmm like money it isn't money that is the issue, but the love of money...it isn't the ego that is the issue, but the love of the ego, and allowing the material ego control.

    1st commandment?? Love the lord thy G!d with ALL, ALL, ALL...no room for the beast...

    where was the beast?? in the inn...

    no room in the inn...there was no room in our consciousness for the christ child...

    get rid of those negative thoughts...open the blinds....let love in...
     
  15. Nick_A

    Nick_A Interfaith Forums

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    Jesus was born with the animals. No one thought of kicking them out or killing them. The Christ doesn't kill the beast. It's only crime is that it isn't conscious and like any beast, just a creature of reaction. It isn't a matter of excluding the beast but in acquiring the consciousness that puts the beast, the human condition, into the perspective where it can be healed by separating the wheat from the tares, the real from the unreal within our collective presence. "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." The idea is to spiritually/consciously nourish the beast by forming this connection. It needs it and can profit from it but is blocked from it by imagination.

    In Christianity the world is the beast and as Jesus said the world must hate the teaching. It must because the Beast is dominated by imagination creating this collective corrupt ego.

    The world is represented by the town as you suggest with no room in the INN. The manger refers to ourselves, our own being. We have an animal nature that when not corrupted accepts the Christ without knowing why but through receiving love from above.

    The World in which the INN functions, the Great Beast," draws its meaning from society. The Christ enters our inner world healing the heart and helping our animal nature to feel the good sense in supporting the Christ. It is poison to the dominance of the Beast yet what leads to conscious inner freedom and awakening to human meaning and purpose.
     
  16. greymare

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    so....the great beast is.............
    money
    power
    antichrist
    society
    material ego
    beastly acts
    the world

    ok...go on...
     
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  17. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    The thing is Grey, the beast has no real power because it is merely an intersubjective construct. In other words it is something we experience within ourselves but doesn't really exist in an objective sense.
    Like most ideas it only has the power we give it.
     
  18. Nick_A

    Nick_A Interfaith Forums

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    No, the Great Beast is society which consists of the collective unconscious reactions of fallen unbalanced humanity in response to cyclical external natural influnces. It is not what we do but what we are. This is why it is simultanously capable of the greatest compassion and atrocities. The collective is not conscious so cannot recognize and admit to its nature and hypocrisy.

    Consciousness is a potential for individuals. Conscious life is a level above our lives as part of the beast. We experience indications of it but as part of the beast, As a whole we cannot actualize it. Only a minority are willing to make the necessary efforts since society struggles agaionst these efforts. All the great traditions refer to awakening and part of awakening is freedom from our psychological limitations from being a cell of the "Great Beast" so as to become a balanced person which then can receive conscious help from above. Higher levels of consciousness from beyond the world seek to help lower levels within but not part of the world. It is part of evolution that begins when mechanical or animal evolution ends as it has with man.
     
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    Like Charlton Heston in the Omega Man?
     
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    ok,,, so who are the "minority willing to make the necessary efforts..?"
    and how do we tell them from everyone else who thinks that they are "making the necessary efforts??"
     

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