Why psychedelics awake siddhis?

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  1. Hefesto

    Hefesto New Member

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    Well, I hope that noone insult me or i dont know.

    Why psycodelics awake our siddhis (psychic powers) when a person consume it?.

    Because psychidelics move your energy around all your chakras, improve concentration?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Nmaste Hefesto,


    I have not heard that psycodelics awaken psychic powers. As in permanently open new avenues, I know they give access to hallucinations...

    It is interesting they've changed the name from halllucinogenics to psychodelics to theogenics
     
  3. Hefesto

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    I was looking for some yoga info and I found this:

    Awakening and the Power of Siddhis Through Herbs







    In the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, Chapter IV, verse 1 it is stated that the supernormal perceptual powers of Siddhis CAN be reached through the use of certain herbs, replicating on the short term a mind-strength ability and potential execution of powers similar to or equal to that of a person versed in Siddhis garnered via the highest levels of Spiritual Attainment.

    The texts go on to say that through the use of certain herbs it is possible for a partial or fuller Awakening to be brought about; either the Awakening of Ida or Pingala, or the Awakening of Sushumna. In Sanskrit, the method of Awakening through herbs is called Aushadhi and an Awakening thus achieved, can, under the right circumstances and conditions, albeit short term, replicate at least partially the level of a Chalabhinna, an Arhat of the third level of realization with the ability of Iddhavidha, the power of transformation.
    It is written as well that the herbs used to awaken this potentiality should be obtained and administered ONLY through the Guru and NOT without a Guru. The reason for such is because there are certain herbs that awaken only Ida and there are others that awaken only Pingala; and there are those that can and do suppress either or both. Aushadhi or the herbal Awakening can be a very quick, albeit risky and unreliable method. It should be done only with one who is a very reliable person, who knows the science of it's use thoroughly, and versed in the arts thereof.


    In his series of eleven best selling books, Castaneda writes how he met and apprenticed under a Yaqui Indian he calls Don Juan, himself trained by a Diablero, a shamam/sorcerer said to have evil powers and the ability to shape shift. Under the direct tutelage of Don Juan, Castaneda used various amounts and types of hallucinogenic herbs and medicinal plants to enlarge his vision of reality, primarily, as outlined in his first two books, a plant called Sacred Datura.
    As Castaneda writes about Don Juan he was never too fond of Datura, a plant he refered to as Yerba del Diablo, the "devil's weed." In the narative Don Juan claimed its power was not unlike that of a woman saying:
    "She (Datura) is as powerful as the best of allies, but there is something I personally don't like about her. She distorts men. She gives them a taste of power too soon without fortifying their hearts and makes them domineering and unpredictable. She makes them weak in the middle of their great power."
    In the case of states of being enhanced through medicinal plants, herbs, or drugs -- especially in the first few instances of use -- unless it is under the auspices of someone similar to the Curandera in the Velada Ceremony, the tribal elder with Sacred Datura, or an Obeahman as in the use of Branched Calalue, it is likely to be highly uncontrolled. The individual could easily find himself hurled into some far-flung region of inner space, with little chance to absorb or even notice the intervening regions. The power of the drug takes Awareness as it were, and artificially exposes it, stripping away or reducing mind created protective barriers and flings it --- Awareness --- out to an unfamiliar realm of consciousness. Without adequate preparation, the traveler can feel totally disoriented. However, under the hand of proper guidance, the space-time experience wedged open by the drug between the initial grasp of Awareness and it's ultimate closing, whether it is pinhole in size to a dam breaking, or a mili-second to an hour, it can be highly productive --- including the use and ability of Siddhis. Finally, with drugs, the open window and the touching of Awareness is of limited duration. When the power or strength of the drug wanes, the barriers to Awareness previously pushed aside rush back in, closing like a fist around a valuable pearl. It is the practiced and experienced drug master that has the knowledge and ability to mix and fine tune the proportions so the traveler can widen or lengthen how long the window is open. See also Sun Dagger as well as Obeah.</B>


    If you have had the opportunity to go through my various online offerings you will find located in a variety of places that I have studied under, met and interacted with many highly respected teachers and members of the Enlightenment community --- including of course, my own mentor, as well as Sri Ramana Maharshi, Franklin Merrell-Wolff, Swami Ramdas, Yasutani Hakuun Roshi, Shunyata, Alfred Pulyan, and Wei Wu Wei. Most of it has not been of my own making but somehow came about on its own. For what reason or why I cannot say as I do not know. However, meeting the teacher of Pulyan, who was fully and totally unknown and has remained so right up to this day --- in striking contrast to all of the venerables I just mentioned --- was an extraordinary experience. Several years before my spiritual guide asent me to the compound of AlfredI found myself in the court of a Laotian warlord. I was requested to participate in, without many options to opt out or do otherwise, a ceremony that circled around the heavy use of opium. Dressed in local garb I layed on the floor on my side with a thin, three-foot long pipe, attended to by an ancient man that ASSISTED me through the various paces. A couple of times afterwards, on my own and with others, I partcipated in a much less formal ritual called "chasing the dragon," but instead of a pipe, using a matchbox. That was ages ago. Those days, as well as any other such youthful indiscretions, are long gone and long over. The thing is, when the effects of the opium took over, it was like I had disappeared or no longer existed, having melded into the larger whole. Yet my eyes still took in, in a very high super-clear intensity, all of my surroundings. Where or what my eyes were connected to or how they were able to work or record my environment --- and for me to still know about it I don't know --- as there did not seem to be a back of my head or even a head.
     
  4. shawn

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    The term hallucinogens was coined and applied by the establishment in an attempt to stuff the genie back in the bottle and failing that, to discredit the whole issue by labeling it as imaginary, like pink elephants.
    Only the gullible and those who are still sleeping fall for it though.
    Entheogens went by the term "sacraments" for thousands of years or "gifts of the gods".
    And now the "devils" in positions of authority are still working hard at keeping the sheeple asleep.

    My few experiences with "sacraments" when I was younger rank up among the most positive and memorable/inspiring events of my life.
    Criminalization of these things is itself a criminal act by tyrants.IMHO
     
  5. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    I would agree that they are special but just because mankind has sought out and consumed these alkaloids for millennia and built around its effects a rich tapestry of folklore does not mean to say there is any transcendence going on. All the various plants and mushrooms that induce these effects produce the same basic alkaloid. Its effect in the brain is to cancel out a neuro blocker, a substance the brain produces to prevent the brain firing too many neurons at once. So when you take a trip you are essentially opening up your brain to an unfiltered assault of stimulation. The often naive aggrandisement of our ancestral cultures as using these substances to commune with something we have somehow lost is just fanciful. The shamans of history used them as much to scare people as to 'enlighten' them. Such drugs were a powerful tool in their ability to demand respect and awe....and fear. I have read of labyrinthine temples with the acoustics designed to make it impossible to detect the source of noise in which the remains of hallucinigenics were found. The theory goes that the plebiscite was drugged and scared sh!tless. It is all too easy to romaticise pre-history and especially so when you are someone who enjoys getting high and wishes to justify that in the face of societies negative attitude toward such powerful stimulants. My own opinion is that taking such alkaloids gives you the ability to really confuse your brain. Nothing more. But it can be fun.;)
     
  6. citizenzen

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    While I share shawn's experience with psychedelics, I think the positive result may have been due to a modicum of intelligence and a decent amount of self-awareness.

    Those drugs don't seem to do much good for a number of folk who I share the bus with.

    If only they knew better.
     
  7. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    lol drugs are awesome. ftw.
     
  8. Tao_Equus

    Tao_Equus Interfaith Forums

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    Seems the drug of choice at the moment amongst our youth in the UK is Ketamine. Used as a horse tranquilliser and sometimes in the developing world as an anaesthetic for children it is very powerfully hallucinogenic.
     
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    Ketamine.... Hallucinogenic? Hmmm... I'd debate that.
     
  10. Hefesto

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    Hallucinogenic drugs such as LSD, mescaline, peyote and
    others stimulate siddhis in an uncontrolled fashion. This is a very
    dangerous way to evoke siddhis and can lead to great psychological
    trauma. As well, a variety of other stimuli may cause siddhis
    spontaneously, such as a fall or a blow to the head. However the
    siddhis are produced, the fact is that they exist.

    I found it.
     
  11. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    Psychedelics force the brain to process information outside of the normal restraints and limitations that we grow to shackle our thinking with. Children as they grow see everything as new and wondrous, but by adulthood this is replaced with cynicism and lack of regard.

    By learning to "fit in", we force ourselves to think in certain ways, demand certain things of the world as we see it.

    Psychedelics can certainly challenge those self0imposed boundaries because they are no longer able to function under influence - certainly not to the same degree - but this doesn't mean to say any special properties are imbued, as much as to say a realisation of some of the mental boundaries that exist, and how the world looks outside of these.

    2c.
     
  12. Hefesto

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    Thanks for your answers.

    Siddhis awakened by drugs would be a hard stuff to control. Need a Lot of concentration and Will
     
  13. shawn

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    This is the origin of the word pharmakia which has been translated in scripture as sorcery. The basic idea of this word is the usage of powerful substances to control people's minds in a manipulative fashion for selfish ends.
    Not a nice thing to do.
    The part Tao that you do have right is that these things can open up people's perceptual filters which in times of info wars and propaganda and censorship and indoctrination and thought control is probably essential for those who wish to see things as they really are without the implanted biases ruling the day.
    But if drugs alone could enlighten the world this would have been accomplished already. So it is not so simple as just take a pill and have instant enlightenment.
    There is much more to it really.
     
  14. chakraman

    chakraman God save us from religion

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    i've had a few experiences of entheogens, natural as opposed synthetic, in particular ayahuasca and mushrooms. it is my experience that they temporarily raise the kundalini. i use kundalini loosely as this is the only word i can think of to explain their affects. i have read that the experience can sometimes induce a permanent change in degrees.

    i do believe that they can be a worthy tool, but like a hammer, entheogens can be used to build or destroy. they do seem to open up the chakras and meridians and so can, imo, be used to help and cure illness when used responsibly. ayahuasca has been used extensively as a very effective way of curing drug addiction and other social ills. that said you can make a drug out of entheogens like anything that becomes the source of escape from oneself; in this i would include religion, supporting football teams (the new extremist religion!), alcohol, career etc etc. so we're all drugged up eh?

    this is a great watch even if you're not interested in entheogenss per se. alistair appleton is uk tv presenter, buddhist, drug free, teetotaler who went to south america to participate in an ayahuasca ceremony:

    the man who drank the universe


    for those who don't know, it involves the imbibing of dmt, which apparently is released by the pineal gland at birth, death and enlightenment (the opening of the crown chakra in the physical sense).
     
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    It was an interesting film, thanks.
     
  16. shawn

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    Interesting film indeed.
    Thanks for the add.
     
  17. Hefesto

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    Thanks for the video.

    By the way, there is an entheogen for each Siddhi?. Salvia divonorum for example, awakes siddhis like Clairvoyance, Telepathy, Precogniction and Remote viewing.
     
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    I was recently in ceremony with an amazing brother, who told me he no longer sings Mantra or any devotional songs which call on Hindu deities because he believes that those deities/spirits/beliefs do not mix with the medicine. He holds true to the traditional songs and prayers which came FROM the plant. I truly appreciate this point of view. I think tradition can be a very beautiful and humble thing.

    So I would be careful in venturing into Yogi territory through plants which are not from that tradition. I believe it is disrespectful to the plant and the tradition.
     

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