Greatest impediment to self-realization:

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The belief that you, as you are, are real.

What is this extremes opposite?

For those who worship a God, the answer is quite obvious, merge with it.

What about for those who do not?

You will have to look deeper, what defines you as you currently are?

It is your inner subjectivity, its opposite being outer objectivity.

Can you permit yourself to drop these, to see what remains without even your conceptions of self?

What remains will be your true self, find out what it is.

It is what I mean when I say God is the Whole.

Can you find it?
 
The belief that you, as you are, are real.
In another 60 years or so, we won't be here physically, so if what is real is that which is eternal, our bodies are not real, not really us.
I don't understand exactly what the spirit is, but I know that the essence of us (spiritual energy) continues after our bodies die. Sometimes I've questioned experiences that substantiate this & the only alternative explanation is that our subconscious minds have psychic abilities to predict the future. Either way, it's spiritual & unexplainable scientifically.

What is this extremes opposite?

...What remains will be your true self, find out what it is.

It is what I mean when I say God is the Whole.
Before there was light, it was dark.
If God created everything, then God created both "good" & "evil" possibilities... Opposites so joy could be appreciated.

Can you find it?
No, I don't think I could find God as the objective whole of all perspectives.
Yes, I could find my true self - peace & higher awareness, being in the moment.
 
In another 60 years or so, we won't be here physically, so if what is real is that which is eternal, our bodies are not real, not really us.
I don't understand exactly what the spirit is, but I know that the essence of us (spiritual energy) continues after our bodies die. Sometimes I've questioned experiences that substantiate this & the only alternative explanation is that our subconscious minds have psychic abilities to predict the future. Either way, it's spiritual & unexplainable scientifically.

Spirit is a strange translation, the original word was 'breath', which I think makes it quite a lot easier to understand. What is it that we bring in and exhaust when we breath? It is oxygen, in various forms - we bring in pure oxygen and put out carbon dioxide, which means carbon inside our bodies has bonded with two oxygen molecules, then trees split them back apart so we can use them again. What is oxygen? It is something necessary in a fire, this gives a hint, although you also need wood or coal or something similar. We too bring in this through our food, but both are merely energy in different aspects. All is energy, science agrees here, it is just the understanding differs because spirit is a subjective experience, and science looks at things objectively. These are the two poles which are most important to merge, for they are the basis for all separation. I often say God is love objectified, man is love subjectified, what remains when the opposites are no more? It is said Jesus is fully divine and fully man, in this is the reason for it.

As for psychic abilities, it is merely a sensing of what the energy has done or is doing, while predicting the future is naught but looking at where the energy is going. It is only that most people are not sensitive enough to the energies around them, otherwise all things are available. In religious experiences, it is possible to get an even clearer picture of the future, and even recall the past clearly, it is because past and future are opposites - in religious experiences all opposites are merged creating a central meeting point that includes everything, yet is itself void of definition. This is the universal heart - which actually just means center - indeed it is the heart of God.

Before there was light, it was dark.
If God created everything, then God created both "good" & "evil" possibilities... Opposites so joy could be appreciated.

This is how existence works, yes.

God is absolute, it will be useful to say he is absolute zero. Now, to manifest good (+1) and keep God's absoluteness, balance must be maintained, its opposite must also be brought in (-1). Now, the contrast allows us to recognize either, and already there is a certain enabling of experience.

Everything works this way, and thus God's absoluteness is maintained despite the plethora of possibilities we see all around us. This all also gives us a hint as to how to find God though: find out what is that point of zero. Now you discover all is truly one, that all things are contained in this, but describing it is impossible. This is the wonder of the mystic, that underlying all this diversity, everything is the same.

No, I don't think I could find God as the objective whole of all perspectives.
Yes, I could find my true self - peace & higher awareness, being in the moment.

It would be impossible, for all objects are merely your subjective perception. Everything, as I have already stated, is just the play of energies, nothing is actually physical at all, but the mind creates a certain picture that we might function within it.

You must find out who the perceiver is, you must look behind all thoughts and actions, everything you experience, and see from where the experience has arose. Everything you are aware of cannot be you, let this be the criteria. You can look at thoughts, emotions, actions, you can see the whole body, even your internal body if your third eye is functional. Who is aware of all these things? You might say "I am", but even this has arisen in it, who is that one?

Accept no verbal answer, for the answer is only encounterable, it cannot be said.
 
It is important to note that this divide between object and subject, it actually divides inner and outer, this and that. It is is the initial divide which has stemmed from the statement 'I am', and it is the reason for all feelings of separateness which manifests as loneliness.

This is crucial to understand: why is there a longing for something more? Our greed is another manifestation of this, as is all possessiveness and goal orientation. What are we really trying to do by accumulating things and people? We are trying to extend ourselves, our limited being does not suffice. It is because our being knows this is not all it is, all is simply an attempt to satisfy this need to be more.

Now, many will go their entire life chasing wealth and sex, wealth is power and sex is ecstasy or bliss, this is significant. Nothing we do in life ever fulfills either, it is because neither are satisfactory to our being. Our being knows the absolute, its power and bliss, and you are trying to give it something petty as a substitute because the mind doesn't know it. You cannot understand as the mind what the being is after...

When all else is simply not good enough, most will dive into religion, and here is the fulfillment. Here we realize we are the whole, what more power can there be? The bliss and ecstasy of the religious experience is such that you feel you cannot bare it, it is almost a miracle it is possible to live through this, yet you will wish you hadn't because to get through it means it has gone.

Now this becomes your only desire: find out how to not leave it again. Surrender is the key, for it only happens when you are absent, when mind stops running.

Now you can open the gates of heaven, reside there.

You have been told heaven is something after death, yet Jesus tells you in life you must be reborn. The crucifixion and resurrection show this, what you are now must die that you can be born of God. This is the immaculate conception, it is to be born of the Holy Spirit.

In a way it is death, yet it is a death in which you encounter the deathless.

It is not meant the physical death though, it is that the drop must fall into the ocean... the soul must merge back to the spirit from whence it was formed.

That spirit is God, you are merely the form of the formless.
 
I have said in another thread that you must be careful investigating this though, it is imperative you do not identify with the mind in your surrender. The mind is the reason for all separation, it is the agent of division, it is that which has decided it all. It will fight, it will insist its concepts are correct, and it will create fear in you such that you will consider this a type of death which will happen. Be alert that you are watching the mind, that these complaints cannot be coming from you for this reason.

This is the apocalypse, you are now a Buddha if you can go into it willingly. Both mean the same, one is to lift the veil (revealing truth), the other is to be awakened (to truth). Now you are Michael, now you resemble God, yet is there any division that permits comparison?
 
The belief that you, as you are, are real.
Well you have to start somewhere. If 'you' are not real, then how can one claim anything else is?

What is this extremes opposite?
The belief that you, as you are not, is real?

For those who worship a God, the answer is quite obvious, merge with it.
Really? Not my idea of God at all. Does your god have any say in this, or is god just a mechanism?

It is your inner subjectivity, its opposite being outer objectivity.
Well, assuming the 'outer subjectivity' is unreal, what guarantee do you have that the inner is not real also?

A little game:
Think of something,
Now think, 'who is it that thinks of that thing'?
Now think, who is it that thinks 'who is it that thinks of that thing'?
Now think, who is it that thinks of who it is that thinks 'who is it that thinks of that thing?
Now think, who is it that thinks of, who is it that thinks of who it is that thinks 'who is it that thinks of that thing?
See ... goes on forever ...

Can you permit yourself to drop these, to see what remains without even your conceptions of self?
Who makes that decision, I wonder? If you ... then you really are on uncertain ground.

What remains will be your true self, find out what it is.
Would that what you say is true, but alas, patently it's not ... what one invariably finds is another chimera ...

It is what I mean when I say God is the Whole.
The very notion 'God is whole' is flawed. God is not a composite, that's Richard Dawkin's error.

And were it true, then how can your god make the erroneous assumption that it thinks it's real, when it's not?

Or, how did your god get in such a mess in the first place?

God bless,

Thomas
 
Well you have to start somewhere. If 'you' are not real, then how can one claim anything else is?

Obviously, something about you is real, the point is to find that.

The belief that you, as you are not, is real?

All beliefs must be dropped, the opposite of a belief cannot be another belief.

Really? Not my idea of God at all. Does your god have any say in this, or is god just a mechanism?

I tell you it is why Jesus is considered fully divine and fully human. God has created existence to know himself, you are not distinct from him, I only say to find this out directly - do not take my word for it.

Well, assuming the 'outer subjectivity' is unreal, what guarantee do you have that the inner is not real also?

Neither are real, only the whole is real... that is what I am saying.

A little game:
Think of something,
Now think, 'who is it that thinks of that thing'?
Now think, who is it that thinks 'who is it that thinks of that thing'?
Now think, who is it that thinks of who it is that thinks 'who is it that thinks of that thing?
Now think, who is it that thinks of, who is it that thinks of who it is that thinks 'who is it that thinks of that thing?
See ... goes on forever ...

This is actually an Advaita device, it does not go on forever.

Whatsoever is watched is not the source of you, find out that source, find out who are you.

Who makes that decision, I wonder? If you ... then you really are on uncertain ground.

You, as your true nature, is the infinite creativity of this universe. It is you that has created this limited experience through your acceptance of certain things which seem perfectly true, it is within your power also to undo this.

This limited self I go on calling the ego, it must be dropped.

Would that what you say is true, but alas, patently it's not ... what one invariably finds is another chimera ...

You are not even willing to inquire into what I say, yet there is no other way to know God.

The very notion 'God is whole' is flawed. God is not a composite, that's Richard Dawkin's error.

I have not said he is a composite, for are you a composite of cells? Your body, perhaps you will agree is exactly that, but you are still the whole. It is not flawed at all though, it is exactly the case.

And were it true, then how can your god make the erroneous assumption that it thinks it's real, when it's not?

Are you real?

Or, how did your god get in such a mess in the first place?

Identification.
 
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