sins of the father (visited upon the sons to the 3rd & 4th generation)

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  1. salishan

    salishan freesoul

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    even after a statement about Gyd's love & forgiveness , immediately before
    this pronouncement is pretty harsh stuff
    children paying for the crimes of their father
    (or crimes of their grandfather or crimes of their great-grandfather)

    this kind of harsh sentiment can be found elsewhere in the "Old Testament"
    (Exodus 20:5 & where it is repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9 , also Jeremiah 32:18) which
    makes many Christians uneasy (to turn more frequently to the New Testament for guidance)

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    but if u treat the statement more as an observation upon "human nature"
    (rather than upon Gyd's apparent stern-unfairness)
    the statement seems a good-deal less cruel

    we know from many many studies that the child of an abusive parent
    has a statistically far-higher likelihood of becoming an abuser themself
    & of passing this abusive behavior down to the next generation , then to the next

    that is why it is so important to work hard with damaged children (& adults)
    to stop the cycle of abuse
    before the next generation is "trained" (conditioned) to be abusive , too

    this idea of the sheer weight of iniquity passing from generation to generation
    is not just found in the Hebrew Bible , but found
    in Euripides (Phrixus 970) & in Shakespeare (Merchant of Venice A3:s5)

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    such biblical quotes , taken out of their larger context
    give the Hebrew Bible a bit of bad rap

    the way to earn forgiveness (for self & for future generations) is
    righteousness
    turning one's life around , doing the right thing
    (& teaching this ethic to one's children)

    this is how the world improves
    (& this is where Gyd's footprint shows)

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  2. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku IAMTHATIAMNOT

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    The god of the OT is plain and simple an evil, violent, jealous god.
     
  3. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    I go with the "do not take action until you have considered the impact on the seventh generation" (see Code of Handsome Lake) rather than this. The passage in Numbers is an affront to a loving and righteous G!d if applied blindly. It was probably an improvement over the "kill them all" attitude of early bronze age people (who were, after all the descendents of the Neanderthal killers).

    I do like you take on it Salishan... "but if u treat the statement more as an observation upon "human nature" (rather than upon Gyd's apparent stern-unfairness) the statement seems a good-deal less cruel." As the victim of childhood abuse, I must admit that I do not have children because it scared me that I would continue.
     
  4. taijasi

    taijasi GnĊthi seauton

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    The 7th Generation, if understood as one's own subsequent 6th or 7th reincarnation, is far more likely to hit you squarely IN THE FOREHEAD before you go and do something offensive, stupid or unnecessary (even if impacting primarily you and only you) ...

    ... than if you're just sitting around feeling sympathetic about those poor bastards - or in this case - non-bastards ... coming down the line.

    I don't care HOW MUCH you love your own family, or your own flesh & blood. Apparently that doesn't mean JACK if you're Republican, Tea-bagging it or convinced you're some kind of war hero (aka survivalist? what do these idiots call themselves now? you know, the self-deluded `patriots').

    The bottom line? If told that "you are screwing things up for yourself," then this is the surest way to get people to see the foolishness of their actions. Go back, reread with this understanding ... and this teaching will make by far a great deal more sense than if we try to bend and fit the scriptures to our modern-day, secularized, watered-down and more convenient interpretations.

    I'm not denying that what we does impacts every other being on the planet, your own family included - and quite often, soonest. I'm just showing that there is a deeper, more direct meaning which this 7th generation business has always referred to. If it doesn't mean the same thing yet to and for you ... just give it awhile. Come back to it later. See if your take on things hasn't changed.
     
  5. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    "This 7th Generation Business" is a part of Native American Spirituality. I do not talk condenscendingly about yours, please return the favor (Tecumseh said about 200 years ago, "Trouble no one about their religion; respect others in their view, and demand that they respect yours"). You may think it was made up or something trendy... just use wiki.
    Seven generation sustainability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     

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