I think im starting to get christianity

[shadowman]

right now this world is seperated from god and this is why bad things happen and there is no equality

the holy spirit flies around visiting people to prove god true to them (I can attest to this, Ive felt things when I used to worship, when I Read the bible, or when I tried opening my heart to jesus, I honestly dont think this PROVES anything, because the same thing happens to people in other faiths....)

christianity works by humbling all before god. I can dig that. everyone is equal before god and we are all in this together.

but we have to accept him for him to be with us on earth or after death, or something. Im not sure what it means to accept christ. It means becoming in his service, bowing to him, trusting him I think.

then god takes care of us and promises that the next world wqill be free form sin, pain, violence, depravity etc. I can dig that too.

I dont see why we have to chose or why we are allowed to experience this miserable world.

I still think god could just fix everything if he wanted to.


seriosuly guys think about it

THE ONLY OUTCOME OF GOD NOT JUST FIXING EVERYTHING NOW, IS THAT A: SUFFERING CONTINUES FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG

BEOPLE REJECT GOD AND GO TO HELL GOD KNOWS HOW MANY TIMES

so why is this game still running HELP US OUT GOD! THIS WORLD SUCKS.

 

[pattimax]

No, that's gravity.

(sorry 123, couldn't resist)

 

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, shadowman!

right now this world is seperated from god and this is why bad things happen and there is no equality

I'm glad you're beginning to understand Christianity, after 25 odd years I'm still learning. How is the world separated from G-d? Seems to me the natural world is continuing on just as the Good Lord created it to. The sun still rises. The moon still gives her light. Life still begets life, life still sustains life. It is not always pretty flowers and manicured forests, sometimes it seems ugly to a civilized human mind, but the game goes on like you said.

Humans are a special case. Depending how you see the dawn of humanity, either humans "evolved" into creatures knowing "good and evil," or they were specially placed here and accidentally gained the knowledge of good and evil. Either way, humans were granted the freedom of choice, free will. By the exercise of free will we choose to walk in the path G-d intends, or we stray. Most of us do a little of both.

the holy spirit flies around visiting people to prove god true to them (I can attest to this, Ive felt things when I used to worship, when I Read the bible, or when I tried opening my heart to jesus, I honestly dont think this PROVES anything, because the same thing happens to people in other faiths....)

Oh, but it does prove something, if only subjectively. The question is whether or not you are willing to accept what that proof points to.

christianity works by humbling all before god. I can dig that. everyone is equal before god and we are all in this together.

OK. I can go along with this. By the same token, so can many non-Christians. So we truly are in this together, Christians and non-Christians alike. While I will grant G-d is no respecter of persons, we are not equal, none of us. We each have our special talents and gifts. We each also have our own short comings and lessons to be learned.

but we have to accept him for him to be with us on earth or after death, or something. Im not sure what it means to accept christ. It means becoming in his service, bowing to him, trusting him I think.

If by "him" you mean G-d, then I agree. If you mean Jesus, it gets a little problematical if one is not Christian. Nevertheless, I believe G-d has made plain paths for most if not all. It is our choice to walk that plain path, or to stray.

then god takes care of us and promises that the next world wqill be free form sin, pain, violence, depravity etc. I can dig that too.

OK

I dont see why we have to chose or why we are allowed to experience this miserable world.

Because that is how G-d chose to play the game. It comes down to love. Love must be freely received and freely returned for it to be genuine love. Anything less is not love.

I still think god could just fix everything if he wanted to.

Perhaps. Of course, that would take all the fun out of the game. G-d could create a bunch of little robots that mouth the words "I love you G-d," but it wouldn't truly be love.

seriosuly guys think about it

I do.

THE ONLY OUTCOME OF GOD NOT JUST FIXING EVERYTHING NOW, IS THAT A: SUFFERING CONTINUES FOR GOD KNOWS HOW LONG

BEOPLE REJECT GOD AND GO TO HELL GOD KNOWS HOW MANY TIMES

Are you suggesting you know better than G-d how His game should be played? Seems to me that an entity capable of creating universe(s) knows a little bit more than I do about how things should be done. I was placed here to do the best I understand with what little I know and believe. I figure I'll just make the best of the situation I find myself in.

so why is this game still running HELP US OUT GOD! THIS WORLD SUCKS.

At least you are asking in the right direction. Keep asking Him, you will learn what you need to play the game by His rule.

 

[juantoo3]

No, that's gravity.

(sorry 123, couldn't resist)

Newton would be proud!

 

[shadowman]

Im suggesting that the cretors game involves people going to hell.

why do we have the heaven hell dichotomy? because of him. Im suggesting that he can do ANYTHING he wants, he is omnipotent, unlimited.

our imaginations and true selves are also unlimited, we can imagine absolutely anything. our conscsiouses were once unconditioned to intellectual thought.

our imaginations allow us to imagine a world where not one human is tortured after death, not one.

gods system includes this(torture for some after death), meaning out of an infinity of choices, he thinks hell is a good idea. I dont. Im sure I am missing something where it will fdawn on me that its ok for humans to be tortured forever. I still see that as something bad... not sure why that is.

 

[Dondi]

Im suggesting that the cretors game involves people going to hell.

why do we have the heaven hell dichotomy? because of him. Im suggesting that he can do ANYTHING he wants, he is omnipotent, unlimited.

our imaginations and true selves are also unlimited, we can imagine absolutely anything. our conscsiouses were once unconditioned to intellectual thought.

our imaginations allow us to imagine a world where not one human is tortured after death, not one.

gods system includes this(torture for some after death), meaning out of an infinity of choices, he thinks hell is a good idea. I dont. Im sure I am missing something where it will fdawn on me that its ok for humans to be tortured forever. I still see that as something bad... not sure why that is.

I keep coming back to the idea that there is a correlation between heaven and hell and having God and not having God. That heaven is heaven because it has God and hell is hell because it does not have God. That is comes down to the simple choice (or hard choice?) of whether or not one wishes life and joy in the Spirit of God or a living death (second death?) without Him. The eternal torture that you seem to believe will happen to folks is the result of the lack of the Spirit and Love of God in their life.

At the present moment, we who are alive on earth are caught between heaven and hell. We see the preservation of the Spirit of God on earth that restrains the full force of evil from completely destroying man. But we also see the world degrading toward that destruction year by year. there ia good in the world, but there is also evil. If God completely abandons the world, do you know how quickly this place will delve into the abyss of total carnality, debachery, and ungodliness? Even in my lifetime (born 1964) I can see how we are losing our innocence in just the 4 plus decades I've been alive. We are slowly killing ourselves.

I'm not playing off innocently, for I've been caught up in it all myself. I seen my life stained with the sins that I ended up abhorring about myself. It's hard to keep pure in a impure world. But I also recognize the dangers of putting off God in favor of our own wayward ways. I choose to reach out to God to preserve my life and the life of my loved ones and family. And I've found the changes needed to produce the joy and love in my life that has been far more satisfying that what my sinful desires could offer, despite the fact that they still indeed seduce me back.

My conviction is that without God our sins will consume us, here and in the life beyond. That if we haven't totally given in to ourselves, that that progression will continue even in the worst way once we are on the other side. It will become a downward spiral that will sink us lower and lower into our basest animalistic instinct until we become unrecognizable.

The exact opposite will happen when we allow God to be in our lifes. We will find that His way is the best way and we will grow accordingly into life eternal with "joy unspeakable and full of glory".

In the final analysis, somehow I believe God will in fairness allow each of us to make that choice freely.