1914 ....A significant year in bible prophecy

[wil]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

... the fact that satan tempted adam and eve shows he was evil, therefore he was already banished from heaven and on earth. again your 1914 is incorrect and false.

This is what baffles me...we are talking old testament...Judaic texts...here is some Jewish beliefs on the matter..

First, we don't have what Christians call "hell", just a place people go until their sins a "cleansed" before going to gan Eden.

Second, we don't have a "devil". ha-Satan (who you call "Satan") is just the Chief Prosecuting Attorney, nothing more. Just think of him as an aspect of the conscience.

Original Sin: we don't have. The "apple incident" was necessary to make us human.

Quote: Is that a common interpretation of the story within Judaism?

Yes. If it happened, and it wasn't a horrible sin (which the text never hints at (quite the opposite)), then why did it happen?

It's like they were children in the garden, and they couldn't begin to grow up until they made a boo boo. And of course you have God saying, "Whatever you do, don't press the shiny, blinking button." What happens when you say that to a child?

So my question...we reinterpret their texts so completely...how is that possible?

[truthseeker]

Wow, wil. I love it. I LOVE IT!

It is still amazing to me how we take the Jewish faith (the root), build on that into Christianity (the tree), and then totally trash the root.

Not only that, how is it possible that we can truly understand Jesus' message if we have no respect for the Jewish faith? I was reading something on another board within this forum that struck me. It is something to the effect of Christianity seeks to validate itself through bible prophecies. Interesting, seeing how only four of the 27 books of the canonical New Testament actually concentrate on the words and message of Jesus Christ. The other 23 are a profession of the adventures of Paul as he presses forward in building his spinoff of Judaism. Of course, Paul had to give credit where credit is due; but in the course of building a new nation Constantine had a wonderful idea when he sought to build a nation on the same ideology that people were willing to die for (as shown in martyrdoms). These Christians, so humble and yet so fierce in their belief system that they were willing to die for it, was a good start in building a political culture of servitude. And so that ideology has carried on to the present day.

Um, respectfully speaking - really.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

no you said satan could come and go from heaven to earth before 1914, that is incorrect. you can not have evil in the presence of god the holy father, his holiness does not allow it. the fact that satan tempted adam and eve shows he was evil, therefore he was already banished from heaven and on earth. again your 1914 is incorrect and false.

Now it came to be the day when the sons of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.

Then Jehovah said to Satan: "Where do you come from?" At that Satan answered Jehovah and said: "From roving about in the earth and from walking about in it. Job 1;6-7 it is what the bible says that is correct. and the bible tells me that satan was able to come and go at one time , yes even though satan was a rebel roving around on the earth doing what he pleased , he still came back to the heavens at one time , as the bible tells us, but not any more, only faithful angels are working with Jehovahs purpose. satan is cast out now ............ the bible is always correct .

[mee]

Originally Posted by truthseeker

Okay.

So as I understand it, Satan was cast and locked out of heaven as of 1914. A sort of consequence of that was WWI?

If that is so, then the world is coming closer and closer together to mobilize for an ultimate battle between Jesus and Satan.

So are the World Wars because Satan is angry or is that a sign of his manifestation of anger (or whatever it is that Satan manifests) here on Earth? What are we to look forward to now that Satan is, after 1914, officially here on earth and can in no way re enter heaven?

we can look foreward to the time when God is going to step into the affairs of man and put an end to satans rule , but first Jehovah wants everyone to have the chance to put themselves on the side of Jehovah and his king Jesus christ , that is why a great crowd is now being gathered who are willing to do just that revelation 7;9-10
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb............ these ones are welcoming Jesus as the king of Gods heavenly kingdom ,and they will be lead to everlasting life in a paradise earth
These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation,

(Matthew 24:21) for then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.

(Mark 13:19) for those days will be [days of] a tribulation such as has not occurred from [the] beginning of the creation which God created until that time, and will not occur again.................yes even though there is going to be a great tribulation , there will be survivers. those on the right side ,will be guided to fountains of waters of life
(Acts 4:12) Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved.

[mee]

"Nation

will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom" (Matt. 24:7)

War has marred life on the earth for thousands of years. International wars and wars within nations have been fought. But beginning in 1914 the first world war was fought. This was not merely a conflict between two armies on the battlefield. For the first time, all the major powers were at war. Entire nations—including civilian populations—were mobilized to support the war effort. It is estimated that by the end of the war 93 percent of the population of the world was involved.
As foretold at Revelation 6:4, ‘peace was taken away from the earth.’ Thus the world has continued to be in a state of upheaval ever since 1914.

[mee]

"There will be food shortages . . . in one place after another" (Matt. 24:7) yes there have always been famine, so is any thing different about the famine since world war 1
Is anything different about these food shortages? Revelation 6:6 indicated that a small quantity of such staples as wheat or barley would be selling for a day’s wage (a denarius; see Matthew 20:2) but that supplies of such items as olive oil and wine used by people who are well-to-do would not be harmed. So apparently many would suffer shortage while others could still get what they wanted. This situation is no longer local, but global. yes the signs are all happening that Jesus mentioned ,it is a composite sign , all happening since 1914

[mee]

"There

will be great earthquakes" (Luke 21:11)

It is true that there were major quakes in centuries past; furthermore, with their sensitive equipment scientists now detect more than a million quakes a year. But no special instruments are needed for people to know when there is a great earthquake.

[mee]

"In

one place after another pestilences" (Luke 21:11)

At the close of the first world war the Spanish flu swept around the globe, claiming upwards of 20 million lives and at a rate unparalleled in the history of disease. Despite advances in medical science, a heavy toll is exacted every year by cancer, heart disease, numerous sexually transmitted diseases, multiple sclerosis, malaria, river blindness, and Chagas’ disease. and new ones pop up all the time................ yes its all happening , the signs are all there , a composite sign indeed

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

...But beginning in 1914 the first world war was fought. ... It is estimated that by the end of the war 93 percent of the population of the world was involved.
As foretold at Revelation 6:4, ‘peace was taken away from the earth.’ Thus the world has continued to be in a state of upheaval ever since 1914.

this is where I lose it. 93% what kind of hyperbole is that, come on anytime we exagerate to that kind of extreme it just tosses out any argument. Continuous state of upheavel since?? We are talking a hundred years... in which much of it has been relatively peaceful...compared to the give and take of the Roman, English and Ottaman Empires...and the crusades..

[mee]

‘Increased lawlessness accompanied by a cooling off of love on the part of the greater number’ (Matt. 24:11, 12)
The increase is real; it is not merely a matter of better reporting. It is true, past generations had criminals too, but never before has crime been as pervasive as it is now. Persons who are up in years know that from personal experience.

[mee]

"Men become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth" (Luke 21:25, 26)
"The fact is that today the biggest single emotion which dominates our lives is fear,
Many factors contribute to this global atmosphere of fear: violent crime, unemployment, economic instability because so many nations are hopelessly in debt, worldwide pollution of the environment, lack of strong and loving family ties, and the overwhelming feeling that mankind is in imminent danger of nuclear annihilation. and terrrism

[mee]

‘Christ’s

true followers to be objects of hatred by all nations on account of his name’ (Matt. 24:9)

This persecution is not because of political meddling but ‘on account of the name of Jesus Christ,’ because his followers adhere to him as Jehovah’s Messianic King, because of their obeying Christ ahead of any earthly ruler, because of their loyally adhering to his Kingdom and not becoming involved in the affairs of human governments. As modern-day history testifies, that has been the experience of Jehovah’s Witnesses in all parts of the earth.

[mee]

‘This

good news of the kingdom preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness’ (Matt. 24:14)

The message that would be preached is that God’s Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ has begun to rule in the heavens, that soon it will put an end to the entire wicked system of things, that under its rule mankind will be brought to perfection and earth will become a paradise. That good news is being preached today in many many lands and island groups, to the most distant parts of the earth. Jehovah’s Witnesses devote hundreds of millions of hours to this activity each year, making repeated house-to-house visits so that everyone possible is given the opportunity to hear ...yes its all happening

[mee]

To

what do all these events of "the last days" point?

Luke 21:31, 32: "When you see these things occurring, know that the kingdom of God is near [that is, the time when it will destroy the present wicked world and itself take full charge of earth’s affairs]. Truly I say to you, This generation will by no means pass away until all things occur.
The time remaining must be very short. World conditions give every indication that this is the case.
The year 1914 is marked by Bible prophecy.
The correctness of the date is shown by the fact that world conditions foretold to mark this time period have come to pass since 1914 exactly as foretold
Looking back from the vantage point of the present we see clearly today that the outbreak of World War I ushered in a twentieth-century ‘Time of Troubles

When

will the end of this wicked world come?

Jesus answered: "Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." However, he also stated: "Truly I say to you that this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."—Matt. 24:36, 34. yes this faithless and crooked generation of people will still be here when he steps into the affairs of man .

Also, after telling of events that would follow the establishment of the Kingdom in the hands of Jesus Christ in 1914, Revelation 12:12 adds: "Be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing he has a short period of time yes its all happening since 1914

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

this is where I lose it. 93% what kind of hyperbole is that, come on anytime we exagerate to that kind of extreme it just tosses out any argument. Continuous state of upheavel since?? We are talking a hundred years... in which much of it has been relatively peaceful...compared to the give and take of the Roman, English and Ottaman Empires...and the crusades..

i think you must be joking i only have to watch the news on the telly to see the wars that are happening some where in the world ,real peace is when there is no more war anywhere ,just because there may be no war where we live does not mean war is not going on som ewhere . Also are you saying that 93% of nations and kingdoms involved in war in 1914 is not nation against nation .......... i would say it most certainly is just that.