A Gospel tract idea - Page 2

juantoo3 · 07-29-2005, 12:09 AM

Kindest Regards, Stephen!

I think I understand where you are coming from. I see you quote Romans 2. Do you understand the rest of the chapter? Particularly the part about those without the law, do the law by their very nature, and are a witness to themselves?

Quote:

so when people say that all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God
what standard have we fallen short of?

I thought of much to say this afternoon, but I don't know how much I should say.

I think the important part is the "mommy-style" guilt trip laid out. To those of us here, it is not necessary, even to a degree insulting. I think we as Christians all know we are not perfect in the eyes of God. It is our job to try to keep ourselves as unblemished as possible, but absolute perfection is impossible without God.

To those that don't know any better, and are still subject to guilt trips, perhaps your message would be received. However, what of those who receive this message, and then wake up to the fact of having a guilt trip laid on them? For many, it is sufficient to drive them away from Christ's message. I lost count of how many people who I have spoken to who have told me something to this effect. That they were enamored of Christianity until they realized Christians do not always live up to what they preach. Admittedly, usually that was one specific individual who disappointed them, but in their eyes that individual represented Christianity. How many choir boys raped by priests remain in the faith?

I think Brian said it well, the writer sits in judgement in the place of God, as though speaking for God. A rather lofty perch, a rather high pedestal. I know of no person living capable of sustaining such a lofty position. Invariably, they will fail and fall, and somebody watching will be disappointed.

I find it is better, in every respect, to reach out to someone as an equal. Not look down my nose to someone as a hopeless subordinate wretch. I say this from experience. I used to speak from a lofty perch, and God put me on my butt. I want to believe I learned that lesson. Now I know I am still, for all of my effort otherwise, a hopeful subordinate wretch. Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me...

Put another way, in this context the bumper sticker is correct:
"Christians aren't perfect, just forgiven"

Quahom1 · 07-29-2005, 03:39 AM

Oh, man, I had to go find it...i did not want it to be there, but there it is...all over the web. My profound apologise Juan. I apologise to you as well Stephen. Your friend, did you wrong, it appears. It is not his work.

http://www.livingwaters.com/Merchant...oduct_Code=256

http://www.christiananswers.net/gospel/goodperson.html

There were a half dozen more links...but this makes the point.

The point is a direct violation of Copyright laws, without the "quotes" and/or name recognition as author.

This is what we must watch out for, and why we ask that personal dialogue be posted here, and not cut and paste or using other's "Property" without due consent, or acknowledgement.

Sometimes we find out that "property" is not theirs to begin with...

Again, my apologies to all here. And can we start again?

v/r

Q

InLove · 07-29-2005, 03:45 AM

Hi, guys--peace, everyone--

I am in this position every day--as a freelance editor, it is up to me to find out if people (often friends) can document their resources. It is sometimes a very difficult thing to ascertain, even in this info age...

InPeace,
InLove

Quahom1 · 07-29-2005, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by InLove

Hi, guys--peace, everyone--

I am in this position every day--as a freelance editor, it is up to me to find out if people (often friends) can document their resources. It is sometimes a very difficult thing to ascertain, even in this info age...

InPeace,
InLove

...unless youv'e the mind of a "ferret"...but that is not always so good either.

juantoo3 · 07-29-2005, 04:05 AM

My thanks to the good ferret!

However, I hope the lesson is learned, all the way around, myself included.

InLove · 07-29-2005, 04:22 AM

Ferrets are beautiful creatures. They do, however, have tiny brains and they smell really badly. That does not mean that I do not love them anyway

. I hope they reciprocate.

InPeace,
InLove

Quahom1 · 07-29-2005, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by InLove

Ferrets are beautiful creatures. They do, however, have tiny brains and they smell really badly. That does not mean that I do not love them anyway

. I hope they reciprocate.

InPeace,
InLove

Weeeeellll,

They are smarter than dogs and cats (their brain size is bigger in proportian to their body size, than most mammals). The "smell" is a musk gland that people pay top dollar to turn into perfume. And ferrets that are "store bought" do not have musk glands, as they were removed when they were spayed or neutered.

Honest, I know, I have eight of them!

v/r

Q

InLove · 07-29-2005, 04:38 AM

I love them too--LOL--who knew you had EIGHT? Around here, it takes an act of Congress (just about) to even let them live in one's home. (By the way, I am sure you know I meant no disrespect--my beloved "animals" and I share a most beautiful existence!)

As Always,
InPeace and Love,
InLove

Quahom1 · 07-29-2005, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by InLove

I love them too--LOL--who knew you had EIGHT? Around here, it takes an act of Congress (just about) to even let them live in one's home. (By the way, I am sure you know I meant no disrespect--my beloved "animals" and I share a most beautiful existence!)

As Always,
InPeace and Love,
InLove

That's nothin' Had 11, plus two cats a Rottweiler (with one eye) and a horse who thinks he's human and a garden pond full of Koi gold fish (carp, but they look pretty).

Hey it pleases my wife, so, no problems...!

v/r

Q

InLove · 07-29-2005, 04:59 AM

Koi ponds--how cool

. I have decided that no matter what the church thinks, you should stay with that beautiful lady--even if that means you cannot be a priest or something (not that you wanted to be or anything--sigh--I am trying to say something funny or smart or nice, but it is late, and there is no "tired" icon

. I think you do just fine doing what you are doing--both of you, together.

Ferrets, fish, and for everyone--I gotta go to sleep now.

InPeace,
InLove

InLove · 07-29-2005, 05:19 AM

Hi--Peace--

Like I said, it is late--hope whatever I said was understood in the Spirit I intended. Truth is that I was just concerned about everyone involved in the tract "problem". I truly am tired--been on another thread all day, trying to help a young woman with a major problem, and in-between I have been in Internet meetings with present and prospective employers. Haha-trying to work from home--God help me. I am certain He will with anything within that will.

Just wanted to say g'nite, and make sure I have done no harm? (Not that I can really ever know

) See what I mean--cannot even write well--time to get off here...

I love you all

InLove,
InPeace

mynameisstephen · 07-29-2005, 06:18 AM

What can I say?

first -the man who wrote this is my friend and teacher Ray Comfort from "The School of Biblical Evangelism and as Quaholm 1 found www.livingwaters.com

second - my humblest apologies to you Juantoo3 as i feel I may have unintentionally offended you - It was not theft, Ray encourages us to use it and print how we please as long as it is for the furtherence of the Kingdom -Looking back I should have given Ray the credit right away and this would never have happened but that was not why I posted it. I wanted peoples honest oppinion on something that is totally different to the modern Gospel of "God Loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life" and to give your oppinion on a message that the great preachers of old shouted from their pulpits and street corners and to give your oppinion on a message that stands up against the "seeker sensitive movement" who try to change the Gospel to suit the world

again It was not my intention to bring glory to myself
and again I apologies to everyone involved
please forgive me if you feel i tried to decive you in anyway, that was certainly not my intention

and yes I have certainly learned a lesson from this

yours in faith
Stephen

InLove · 07-29-2005, 06:35 AM

Hi, Stephen--

I have been watching this whole thing as it transpired. I know that you, as well as Juan acted in the best and truest way that both of you knew at the moment. This happens all the time, especially with Christian writers--I have been trying to tell one of my authors/employers for so long that even though this is the work of the Lord, still for everyone's sake, it is wise to document! I can never seem to get this across--I wish it was the way these writers (and I am not just an editor--I am a writer, too) want it to be--we want to share the Gospel, and we think that no one is going to ask anything about it, because we all share it freely. I know it doesn't make sense, but even if we all share it freely, eventually someone will come along and ask about the source. They may mean no harm, but I have seen it happen over and over.

Anyway--Peace to All Here, and I will be glad when there are no deadlines

. (I know I said I was going to sleep, and now I will, maybe....)

InPeace,
InLove

juantoo3 · 07-30-2005, 01:41 AM

Cool!