A New Threat to Interfaith Scholarship

[c0de]

@ Bandit

Originally Posted by Bandit

I do not need to put up facts for you to deny. You are still putting words into my mouth.

Looks to me like your the one whose playing word games.
I used your own words, from your own posts.

Religon is pure & undefiled. Right.

Islam is pure and undefiled. Its followers, are anything but.
If you want to try and prove how this is false, be my guest.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by c0de

@ Bandit



Looks to me like your the one whose playing word games.
I used your own words, from your own posts.

Islam is pure and undefiled.

Have you met Mee? He also has the perfect & undefiled religion but it contradicts your pure undefiled religion. pfft

No you do not use words from my own posts. You insert words that I never said & have done this half a dozen times now. You should admit when you do this.

Oh that is right. My bad. According to you Islam is the perfect undefiled religion. That is a scary thought.

You are doing the typical my religion is the perfect religion deviation that I see everytime I visit this place. Instead of admitting there are problems with the religion & addressing the problems - My religion is perfect & has no flaws, If everyone would follow my religion then we would have a perfect world.

People are what create the religion thus there can be no pure undefiled religion, & then the religion creates the people. IN your mind I suppose it was the god who created the perfect Islam religion? Perhaps if you were to worship a god instead of a religion you might have a case.

This is why I stop listening to people like you about religion.

[c0de]

@ Bandit

Have you met Mee? He also has the perfect & undefiled religion but it contradicts your pure undefiled religion. pfft

This is not a valid argument because you are assuming that both of us are wrong because we disagree. You and I disagree as well, this does not automatically make us both wrong.

No you do not use words from my own posts. You insert words that I never said & have done this half a dozen times now. You should admit when you do this.

That is incorrect. I did not add a single word.
I copy pasted directly from your posts.
Please show me where I added words to your post?
Anyone can simply scroll back and read those posts
in the thread. I can provide you with post numbers
and paragraph numbers if you are in doubt about this.

Oh that is right. My bad. According to you Islam is the perfect undefiled religion. That is a scary thought.

You are doing the typical my religion is the perfect religion deviation that I see everytime I visit this place. Instead of admitting there are problems with the religion & addressing the problems - My religion is perfect & has no flaws, If everyone would follow my religion then we would have a perfect world.

People are what create the religion thus there can be no pure undefiled religion, & then the religion creates the people. IN your mind I suppose it was the god who created the perfect Islam religion? Perhaps if you were to worship a god instead of a religion you might have a case.

This is why I stop listening to people like you about religion.

I asked you to provide an argument for your statements. That is all I ask even now. You think Islam is not pure and is a defiled religion? Prove it. Islam is outlined in the Quran. Try and prove any impurities in the Quran. Many before you have tired, all have failed. Most never even got past taking random verses out of context.

[bob x]

Originally Posted by c0de

Islam is pure and undefiled. Its followers, are anything but.

No such thing as "Islam" exists, except for what its followers do.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by bob x

No such thing as "Islam" exists, except for what its followers do.

That is a philosophical statement that you can never prove.
It is only an opinion which you can hold. Because in order to
prove it, you would have to prove that there is no such thing
as absolute Truth. That everything is relative...

Such things can never be proven, that is why they are classified as opinions.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by c0de

@ Bandit

This is not a valid argument because you are assuming that both of us are wrong because we disagree. You and I disagree as well, this does not automatically make us both wrong.


That is incorrect. I did not add a single word.
I copy pasted directly from your posts.
Please show me where I added words to your post?
Anyone can simply scroll back and read those posts
in the thread. I can provide you with post numbers
and paragraph numbers if you are in doubt about this.



I asked you to provide an argument for your statements. That is all I ask even now. You think Islam is not pure and is a defiled religion? Prove it. Islam is outlined in the Quran. Try and prove any impurities in the Quran. Many before you have tired, all have failed. Most never even got past taking random verses out of context.

are you still talking to me?

I can say everything you are saying is not a valid argument as well.

I dont have a problem being wrong, why do you? You have no problem telling others they are wrong but you do have a problem acknowledging that you put words into other peoples mouths. I already pointed out your 6 attempts to put your own words into my mouth that I never said and you have ignored it three times. Why would I keep showing you when you will continue to ignore it?


What part of beliefs cannot be proven or disproven do you not get? They are little things people create in the head that you have no facts for.

I already told I don't give two cents about your religion. I don't believe in it any more than I believe in the catholic religion. I believe that both of those religions are WRONG.

The fact that the men in your religion treat their women like sh*t is enough to tell me your religion in flawed. The fact that people in your religion kill gay people and harm minors tells me your religion is full of hate & murder. The fact that parents in your reliigon kill their own children making bloody sacrifice to a god tells me your religion is wrong and those parents being arrested is right!

But you will continue to stay ignorant and bless what you believe is the perfect religion.

I told you from the very start, when two people (in this case religion) disagree, it implies that someone is wrong or both are wrong. Why can't people handle being wrong sometimes? You cant have it both ways & both be right. Either Jesus is God or he isn't...Either islam is wrong or the catholics are wrong or both are wrong. Hello? very simple.
It is not that big of a deal for humans to be wrong & for religion to have flaws. That would mean questioning your religion for yourself and not trying to get someone else to do it for you.
Why is that so hard for people to grasp?

Why don't you prove that mohammed actually existed as a real person & not a fairy tale?
You know there are a good 4 billion people who reject mohammed as a valid prophet & some of them reject him as a real person. Why don't you prove them wrong? because you can't prove beliefs right or wrong. Hello? Is anybody home?

Either Mohammed is a prophet or he isn't- you can't have it both ways & both be right, scilly sgoose!!!
Are you enjoying this conversation?
To me it is very oooold & boring. Nothing new so far.

Do you have anything else? or are simply going to keep repeating yourself about how perfect your religion is? I think you need to convert to a religion that is a little more perfect than Islam because your religion is far from perfect.
I have talked to quite a few people here over the years but you & Mee are the only two who believe they have the perfect religion with no flaws & could never possibly have an error or two.

All you are doing is the typical prove it & disprove it religious mumble jumble over beliefs, but you are not very good at it. Beliefs & unbeliefs are not facts. They never were.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by c0de

That is a philosophical statement that you can never prove.
It is only an opinion which you can hold. Because in order to
prove it, you would have to prove that there is no such thing
as absolute Truth. That everything is relative...

Such things can never be proven, that is why they are classified as opinions.

you got one thing right. now you need to apply that to beliefs/religion including islam.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Bandit

The fact that the men in your religion treat their women like sh*t is enough to tell me your religion in flawed. The fact that people in your religion kill gay people and harm minors tells me your religion is full of hate & murder. The fact that parents in your reliigon kill their own children making bloody sacrifice to a god tells me your religion is wrong and those parents being arrested is right!

Hi Bandit,

Since you are talking to a very thick wall today, you forgot to add that questioning the religion of islam is worthy of death. and oh yah...people get put to death when they leave the islam religion.

*scratches head*

That is so very, very, very WRONG.

Throw that good old fearmongering into the puddin' heads starting at about age two.

[c0de]

@ Bandit

The fact that the men in your religion treat their women like sh*t is enough to tell me your religion in flawed. The fact that people in your religion kill gay people and harm minors tells me your religion is full of hate & murder. The fact that parents in your reliigon kill their own children making bloody sacrifice to a god tells me your religion is wrong and those parents being arrested is right!

Did you know that the Quran forbids each and
every single one of these actions?

I dont have a problem being wrong, why do you? You have no problem telling others they are wrong but you do have a problem acknowledging that you put words into other peoples mouths.

Again, I did not put any words in your mouth.
I quoted you directly from your post.

Why don't you prove that mohammed actually existed as a real person & not a fairy tale?

Certainly... as soon as you prove that Charlemagne existed.

You first.

[c0de]

p.s.

Originally Posted by Bandit

Hi Bandit,

Since you are talking to a very thick wall today, you forgot to add that questioning the religion of islam is worthy of death. and oh yah...people get put to death when they leave the islam religion.

*scratches head*

That is so very, very, very WRONG.

Throw that good old fearmongering into the puddin' heads starting at about age two.

The Quran does not endorse the killing of apostates.


Your entire argument deals with the flaws of Muslims.
Well, Muslims are human beings. Just as flawed as any others.
Your original argument however, blames Islam itself for their flaws.
In order to do that, you have to prove that the words of the
Quran endorse such unjust actions. Like I said, many have tried,
none have succeeded. Because it can't be done. Only verses out
of context can be taken and as soon as the context is provided,
their argument falls apart. If you want to try that, go ahead.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by c0de

p.s.



The Quran does not endorse the killing of apostates.

Then I am up one on you.

I dont care what the quran says. I dont need a book to know what it right & wrong.

Then the people in your religion, who make up your religion are wrong. Funny how people dont follow their own perfect religion yet claim to be right.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by c0de

@ Bandit



Did you know that the Quran forbids each and
every single one of these actions?




Again, I did not put any words in your mouth.
I quoted you directly from your post.


Certainly... as soon as you prove that Charlemagne existed.

You first.

it does not matter what your book says. you have proven nothing.

[c0de]

@ Bandit

Then the people in your religion, who make up your religion are wrong.

And now, we can finally agree on something.

Funny how people dont follow their own perfect religion yet claim to be right.

I know... this is most distressing for people who have to defend their own religion because of the actions of the members of their same religion... Reminds me of that song by Buffalo Springfield... For what its worth:

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

---------------- Now playing: Buffalo Springfield - For What its worth via FoxyTunes

Originally Posted by Bandit

I dont need a book to know what it right & wrong.

And you are free to do so of course. You believe in the power of human reason and rationality. You are not alone... much of philosophy over the past half a millennium agrees with you. It started with Hume, he is considered the first. But I always thought Kant was more on the money when he rejected the validity of human rationality. But that is a whole other subject of course.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Bandit

1.I never said the thread was absurd. you did.

2.I never said islam is not a valid religion. you did.
3.you are putting words into my mouth.

what I said is, I dont care about islam or what you defend. The fact that you feel you need to defend a religion as valid tells me there is a problem.



4. I never said anything about stamping out the religions. YOU DID.
My word was "voluntarily"
I was in reference to the fighting & childish arguments that people in religion thrive on over & over & over-
5. I never said ALL disagreements. You did.
Come to think of it, this little conflict is all due to religion!

geesh

Wow. that is awesome how that works. people say that you say things when they are the ones who say it, then try to coward out of being the one who said it. said said, say say she said he said, they said, they said, you said.

when did I say all these things? That is right, I didn't.

[c0de]

Originally Posted by Bandit

it does not matter what your book says. you have proven nothing.

That all that matters actually.