a study in the understanding yhwh & elohim

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by aburaees

Why is it ironic? We're talking about Bible here, and it's quite clear from the scripture that the majority (broad gate) are often in error, whilst the minority (narrow gate) are said to attain eternal life.
I'm simply illustrating how it might not be wise to take comfort in being in the majority.



Can't disagree with you here.



It's not my call to make, but I doubt any of them have the whole truth, they should be learning from eachother.




Not really, I happen to accept that other groups may have a point against me in some issues... whilst I might have a point against them in others.

But in this thread, I get the impression that many are claiming to know the whole truth - and couldn't possibly learn anything from the minorities.

So how about addressing Matthew 7:13 instead of disqualifying my contribution based on my personal choice of faith?

.

So, you equate 6,000,000 JWs and other fringe faiths calling themselves Christian, with the narrow path, while main stream Christianity is on the broad road to hell? And, you ignored my question about your own faith...

Anything to cause the Christian faithful to stumble, if it is possible?

lol, you can be seen coming for miles.

I don't blame you actually. Human reason and logic is all we know for certain. Faith on the other hand, is a different ball game all together. That requires a "leap". Not many are willing to take that leap. It's safer to stay on familiar ground.

v/r

Joshua

[aburaees]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

So, you equate 6,000,000 JWs and other fringe faiths calling themselves Christian, with the narrow path, while main stream Christianity is on the broad road to hell?

No I don't actually, if I did then I myself would want to be a JW. All I'm saying is, from a Biblical POV majority does not rule... so being in the 95%+ is not going to save anyone.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

And, you ignored my question about your own faith...

I did not. You asked me which version of Islam was the right path, and I told you it wasn't my call to make - I simply said that nobody has a monopoly over the truth.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Anything to cause the Christian faithful to stumble, if it is possible?

I don't want to stumble any of the faithful. I would however like to be able to identify the faithful so that I may learn from them.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

lol, you can be seen coming for miles.

I don't understand this... my record on this forum simply shows me having a voice for the minorities. I would like to see 11 players on each team for a good soccer match.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I don't blame you actually. Human reason and logic is all we know for certain. Faith on the other hand, is a different ball game all together. That requires a "leap". Not many are willing to take that leap. It's safer to stay on familiar ground.

v/r

Joshua

Couldn't disagree with this, except for the assumption that I'm not willing to take a "leap" of faith. I've made too many "leaps" to talk about here, and not one of them was ever easy.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by aburaees

No I don't actually, if I did then I myself would want to be a JW. All I'm saying is, from a Biblical POV majority does not rule... so being in the 95%+ is not going to save anyone.



I did not. You asked me which version of Islam was the right path, and I told you it wasn't my call to make - I simply said that nobody has a monopoly over the truth.



I don't want to stumble any of the faithful. I would however like to be able to identify the faithful so that I may learn from them.



I don't understand this... my record on this forum simply shows me having a voice for the minorities. I would like to see 11 players on each team for a good soccer match.




Couldn't disagree with this, except for the assumption that I'm not willing to take a "leap" of faith. I've made too many "leaps" to talk about here, and not one of them was ever easy.

Majority does not rule, is correct, Biblically speaking. But the "majority" have got it right.

I wouldn't want to be a JW either. I wouldn't want fear of dis-fellowship, as my primary reason for being one.

There is only one leap of faith that matters to me. Once taken, can't be taken back.

There is only one Faith on this planet that promises redemption, by grace and faith (also a grace). All other "faiths" seem to fall somewhat short of the goal.

Only one claimed to be the King of Kings, the savior, the redeemer, the messaiah. Only one claimed to be "the way, light and truth". Only one claimed to have inroads to the Father. Only one claimed to be One with the Father. Only one claimed to be the beginning and the end...bold statements for a mere human. Especially one that seemed to back His claims up with evidence...

v/r

Joshua

[aburaees]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Majority does not rule, is correct, Biblically speaking. But the "majority" have got it right.

No room for debate then.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I wouldn't want to be a JW either. I wouldn't want fear of dis-fellowship, as my primary reason for being one.

Why is it that you believe most JWs are faking it to avoid dis-fellowship? You can pm me on this one because I believe I have hijacked this thread for a little too long now.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

There is only one Faith on this planet that promises redemption, by grace and faith (also a grace). All other "faiths" seem to fall somewhat short of the goal.

The Christian concept of grace is what keeps me hanging around the Christian board, maybe a hope that I might be graced for being open to change.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Only one claimed to be the King of Kings, the savior, the redeemer, the messaiah. Only one claimed to be "the way, light and truth". Only one claimed to have inroads to the Father. Only one claimed to be One with the Father. Only one claimed to be the beginning and the end...bold statements for a mere human. Especially one that seemed to back His claims up with evidence...

v/r

Joshua

Claims that I'm here to take seriosuly.

[Quahom1]

[quote=aburaees;77971]

No room for debate then.

Nope. Absolutely no room for debate. Unless one is a fringe Christian.

Why is it that you believe most JWs are faking it to avoid dis-fellowship? You can pm me on this one because I believe I have hijacked this thread for a little too long now.

No problem, we can discuss here. I don't think anyone is "faking" it. They believe what they have been told. Unlike others, they can not dispute what they are told, without being set up for dis-fellowship. Me, I could care less whether the Church accepts me or not. I worry only about one person's opinion of me. That is Jesus. He is GOD. And I am saved, because I believe Him. Because of that I can pretty much speak my mind. I can tell stories, express my opinion, critisize the church, and I don't have to worry about what some elder might think.

The Christian concept of grace is what keeps me hanging around the Christian board, maybe a hope that I might be graced for being open to change.

Oh, man. You just did something no one as done to me in a long, long time. You brought tears to my eyes. I too hope for grace, for you and me, on a daily basis.

Claims that I'm here to take seriosuly

.

Take this seriously. There is no God but God (as you believe). Jesus, is the grace of God, to man. Jesus is God, who became man, in order to embrace humanity. Then, He put on His divine mantle once His mission was accomplished.

v/r

Joshua

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Majority does not rule, is correct, Biblically speaking. But the "majority" have got it right.

The dictators and the authoritarian regimes everywhere are cheering for you today. I submit that the majority do rule if the vote of the minority is listened to and given power. If not then the majority will divide and destroy themselves because they do not listen to each other either. Every person here on this planet is in the minority on something. Think about that. I can find something from each person that places them in the minority and something that places them in the majority. Whether the majority or the minority on something is right is NOT the issue. Having Faith placed in them is. No two people have the same information and set of talents.

Do NOT belittle Faith in each other. Recall the sign of Jonah. What was the sign of Jonah given to a murderous and adulterous generation? In whom did God (swt) place Faith? Who did God (swt) serve? Who here would place Jesus Christ (pbuh) right back up on the cross today for being the minority? If Jesus were here today, I wish to hear from him... the majority or not. Whether anyone here accepts his words or not, I wish to eat them.

Recall the story of Lot (pbuh). It wasn't until the last righteous man left that the city was destroyed. Listen to Lot and take his vote. Hear his words. Give his voice power. Invite him to stay. Hear the arguments of the minority and hear the arguments of the majority.

For those who ask how God (swt) rules... you tell me... how does God (swt) rule? Has anyone not prayed to God lately? Give God (swt) what is God's and give the majority what is the majority's. It is not a competition between God (swt) and the majority of who is right and wrong. God (swt) is ruling through people. If anyone does not believe it, review the story of Jonah.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

There is only one leap of faith that matters to me. Once taken, can't be taken back.

I suggest you might have overlooked every second of your life in which you have or could have placed Faith in another person.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

There is only one Faith on this planet that promises redemption, by grace and faith (also a grace). All other "faiths" seem to fall somewhat short of the goal.

So often I hear of placing Faith in a book or in words. The words are NOT what I place Faith in... the words are the Flesh. I place Faith in a soul. Is there only one soul on this planet?

[Quahom1]

Cyberpi. Let's just forget it.

You don't have the ear, and I don't have the patience. Follow your god, and I'll follow mine.

v/r

Joshua

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Cyberpi. Let's just forget it.

You don't have the ear, and I don't have the patience. Follow your god, and I'll follow mine.

v/r

Joshua

Why are you teaching that the there is more than one god? Is that a Christian viewpoint? Which one is mine and which one is yours?

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Why are you teaching that the there is more than one god? Is that a Christian viewpoint? Which one is mine and which one is yours?

No.. according to my bible you are guilty of worshipping idols and false gods. Q is speaking of the the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.. the God of the LIVING bible.

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Yeah we can have FAITH in the WORD of God.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Why are you teaching that the there is more than one god? Is that a Christian viewpoint? Which one is mine and which one is yours?

Lol, I don't "teach" anyone, anything. I gave that up a long time ago. As far as your god...that is your call, not mine. But here in this household, Jesus is Lord. And as for me and mine, we will honor the Lord.

Take care Cyberpi. I truly wish you well. We just have not much in common.

v/r

Joshua

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

No.. according to my bible you are guilty of worshipping idols and false gods. Q is speaking of the the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.. the God of the LIVING bible.

If Jesus (pbuh) and God (swt) serve people, and sinners at that, then how am I worshipping idols and false gods... faithful servant?

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Yeah we can have FAITH in the WORD of God.

Forgive me as I turn a deaf ear to a perhaps anonymous letter and focus on a gospel or two:
Luke 24:4-6 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said to them, "Why do you seek the living among the dead?" He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spoke to you when he was in Galilee...

Mark 7:13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.

I'm sorry, but I think God (swt) is living whereas the bible is constructed of a dead tree and if left out in the sun it will be destroyed within weeks. The bible is not living. Likewise your words and my words may wither away or be burried, but they are like hairs that fall from the head. They are forever counted, but may become lost from this world. The words themselves are dead but the souls that produced them and eat them are living. My thoughts, guided or misguided.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Lol, I don't "teach" anyone, anything. I gave that up a long time ago. As far as your god...that is your call, not mine. But here in this household, Jesus is Lord. And as for me and mine, we will honor the Lord.

Take care Cyberpi. I truly wish you well. We just have not much in common.

v/r

Joshua

If Jesus (pbuh) or God (swt) hold you accountable by your words, then I suggest that you do teach with every idle word.

[BlaznFattyz]

the bible holds the eternal truths, promises, and lessons of god that can be applied yesterday, today, and tomorrow; therefore, it is a living bible whose words can be written on the heart of man for the glory of god.

[lunamoth]

Pardon the aside:

Cyberpi, I'm wondering if your username is at all related to the book Life of Pi?

Sorry for the interuption.

luna

[Thomas]

If the bible were dead, how does it produce so much light and life in the souls of those who read and try to live by it?

Thomas