a study in the understanding yhwh & elohim - Page 7

Dor · 11-10-2006, 07:14 PM

Not going to go through everyone of them but just the first one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marietta

1Corinthians 3:16: Do you not know that you are a timple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

Literal Greek translation:
1Corinthians 3:16
16. dont recognize that temple Theou exists and the life spirit the Theou dwells within you

Love and Light, Marietta

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?(KJV)

why do you never use the first defenition given but the one you dig way down and get to fit your ideas.

Spirit which you translated as life spirit....lets check the Lexicon.
Strong's Number: 4151 Browse Lexicon Original WordWord Originpneu'mafrom (4154)Transliterated WordTDNT EntryPneuma6:332,876Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechpnyoo'-mah

Noun Neuter Definition

the third person of the triune God, the Holy Spirit, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son
1. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his personality and character (the \\Holy\\ Spirit)
2. sometimes referred to in a way which emphasises his work and power (the Spirit of \\Truth\\)
3. never referred to as a depersonalised force
the spirit, i.e. the vital principal by which the body is animated
1. the rational spirit, the power by which the human being feels, thinks, decides
2. the soul
a spirit, i.e. a simple essence, devoid of all or at least all grosser matter, and possessed of the power of knowing, desiring, deciding, and acting
1. a life giving spirit
2. a human soul that has left the body
3. a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel
  1. used of demons, or evil spirits, who were conceived as inhabiting the bodies of men
  2. the spiritual nature of Christ, higher than the highest angels and equal to God, the divine nature of Christ

So shouldn't that read
16. dont recognize that temple Theou exists and the Holy Spirit the Theou dwells within you...instead of 16. dont recognize that temple Theou exists and the life spirit the Theou dwells within you.

Dor · 11-10-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marietta

You wrote:
the only thing that connects god with his created things is spirituality and doing things for the glory of god.

My reply:
This kind of thought was put into religion to take your God given personal power away from you.

Love and Light, Marietta

What God given personal power are you referring to here?

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 07:23 PM

Greetings Quahom1,

You wrote:Science exists because of God to begin with...I think that is the message being missed.

My reply: No I didn't miss this point. Go back a few posts where I posted:
What have I stated that is an offense against God? To say that God created us with free will and gave us a set of divine laws to follow that were/are pure and holy is not stating that God did anything bad. It was mankind and fallen angels who took these laws and used them to control and manipulate one another. Taking the free will choices away from each other inadvertently taking each others divinely given powers away.

Those Divine Laws are the Laws of Universal Creation Science.

Love and Light, Marietta

Dor · 11-10-2006, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marietta

Greetings Quahom1,

You wrote:Science exists because of God to begin with...I think that is the message being missed.

My reply: No I didn't miss this point. Go back a few posts where I posted:
What have I stated that is an offense against God? To say that God created us with free will and gave us a set of divine laws to follow that were/are pure and holy is not stating that God did anything bad. It was mankind and fallen angels who took these laws and used them to control and manipulate one another. Taking the free will choices away from each other inadvertently taking each others divinely given powers away.

Those Divine Laws are the Laws of Universal Creation Science.

Love and Light, Marietta

Back to what I asked what divinely given powers are you talking about?

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marietta

Greetings Quahom1,

You wrote:Science exists because of God to begin with...I think that is the message being missed.

My reply: No I didn't miss this point. Go back a few posts where I posted:
What have I stated that is an offense against God? To say that God created us with free will and gave us a set of divine laws to follow that were/are pure and holy is not stating that God did anything bad. It was mankind and fallen angels who took these laws and used them to control and manipulate one another. Taking the free will choices away from each other inadvertently taking each others divinely given powers away.

Those Divine Laws are the Laws of Universal Creation Science.

Love and Light, Marietta

Baha'i ?

BlaznFattyz · 11-10-2006, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mee

Jehovah (he causes to become)

All things were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made.
In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
The same came as a witness, that he might testify about the light, that all might believe through him.
The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world.
He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world didn't recognize him.
He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't receive him.
But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This was he of whom I said,'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he was before me.'"
From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ.

So yes all things were created by jesus christ, who is life, the word of god, the light of the world, the grace of god, the truth, and the son of god who is god manifested in the flesh, resurrected and glorified for the salvation of man who call upon his name.

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 07:59 PM

Greetings Dor,
I don't use strong's concordance as a dictionary because it is merely a list of all the many different ways a word has been translated into (which ever version of the Lexicon to bible translation) you are looking up.
I personally use the Fiberg Lexicon, UBS dictionary, Louw Nida Lexicon, LS Lexicon and the Thayer Lexicon.

The word you are questioning the transliterated of is: Pneuma and according to:

Fiberg: (1) as derived from Pneoo (blow), of the movement of air; (a) blowing, wind (b) breathing, breath; (2) as a condition and agent of life breath (of life), LIFE SPIRIT, SOUL (3) as the immaterial part of the human personality, SPIRIT in contrast to the outward and visible aspect of (flesh) and (body) (4) as the seat of the inner spiritual life of man, the capacity to know God, SPIRIT

USB: Spirit, inner life, self, disposition, state of mind; spirit, spirit being or power, life, wind, breath, ghost, apparition

Louw Nida: spirit, evil spirit, holy spirit, ghost, inner being, way of thinking, wind, breath

LS: a wind, blast, breeze breathed air, breath, the breath of life, to collect breath, spirit

Thayers: 1. movement of air (gentle) blast; a. of the wind 2. the spirit, i.e. the vital principle by which the body is animated, to breath out the spirit, the power by which a human being feels, thinks, wills, decides, the soul.

I didn't dig way down, it was the first one I found as I only looked in the Fiberg Lexacon when I was translating this text.

why do you never use the first defenition given but the one you dig way down and get to fit your ideas.

You wrote:

So shouldn't that read
16. dont recognize that temple Theou exists and the Holy Spirit the Theou dwells within you...instead of 16. dont recognize that temple Theou exists and the life spirit the Theou dwells within you.
My reply: My point in this text was to show that god lives within us and we are all sparks of God. Which your interpretation of the word implies even better.

If you look at the entire meaning of the word you will find that you have dig pretty deep to make the word translate Holy Spirit. The word holy is not implied in the word Pneuma

Love and Light, Marietta

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 08:21 PM

Greetings Dor,

The power of Divine Love, the power of perfection in our own right, the power of innocence, the power of free will, to make mistakes and learn from our mistakes. The power to manifest our dreams instantaneously, to create our own reality, to bend spoons, the power of telepathy. To name a few.

Love and Light, Marietta

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 08:23 PM

Hello Quaham1, What do you mean by baha'i?
Love and Light, Marietta

Dor · 11-10-2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marietta

Greetings Dor,

The power of Divine Love, the power of perfection in our own right, the power of innocence, the power of free will, to make mistakes and learn from our mistakes. The power to manifest our dreams instantaneously, to create our own reality, to bend spoons, the power of telepathy. To name a few.

Love and Light, Marietta

You know we actually agree on some of that.
I do not know what you mean by Divine Love but I know I experience indescribable love every day.
We were innocent, we were designed perfect to live forever, and to have free will...we just choose to get rid of the innocence.
Course I do not think we agree on how to get back to where we started though.

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 08:55 PM

Greetings Dor,
Divine Love is Pure Love and the Ego is not attached to it. Divine Love does not judge, condemn, control, or battle. None of the baser things of the flesh are attached to Divine Love, it is not selfish, is not boastful, is not jealous, does not have pride attached to it. When you love someone with Pure Love you only want their happiness and if this love is directed to you mate and your mate finds another woman or man that makes them happy, you are happy for him/her. This is pure love, which isn't found much on this earth plain at this time. Pure love does however have conditions, and by this I mean that you can love some purely but their are levels of this love that have to be earned.

Love and Light, Marietta

Faithfulservant · 11-10-2006, 11:56 PM

can I laugh? hehe

Quahom1 · 11-11-2006, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marietta

Hello Quaham1, What do you mean by baha'i?
Love and Light, Marietta

Baha'i is a relatively new faith combining much of the Abrahamic faiths with esoteric/mystical/spiritual enlightenment.

Your thinking and expression of thought seems very familiar to me...like I've read it before. Can't quite put my finger on it, maybe another forum, or a paper on the internet.

Anyway, it'll come to me.

v/r

Joshua

Marietta · 11-11-2006, 06:52 PM

Greetings Quaham1, The things I have come to understand have not come from an outside source. Everything I have come to see as Divine Truth came to me through studying the bible. The only other teachings I follow at the moment are called the Freedom Teachings and I chose to study them because they line up perfectly with what I had already come to understand through my own study of the Holy bible and the divine guidance of the Holy Spirit.
A few years ago someone told me that what I was talking about was Kabbalah so I looked into the Kabbalistic teachings but was lead away from that into the Freedom Teachings. I have read a lot of the dead sea scroll material and attended a conference on the Dead Sea Scrolls at the Hebrew Union Collage and found that the teacher of Righteous the speak about was Jesus.
I had a painter working for me who was into Self Realization Fellowship and he shared quite a bit about this with me but at the time I presented much of the argument to him that is being presented to me here in this forum.
I'll check into what is taught by the Baha'i. Thank You.

Love and Light, Marietta

You wrote:
Baha'i is a relatively new faith combining much of the Abrahamic faiths with esoteric/mystical/spiritual enlightenment.

Your thinking and expression of thought seems very familiar to me...like I've read it before. Can't quite put my finger on it, maybe another forum, or a paper on the internet.

Anyway, it'll come to me.

v/r

Thomas · 11-11-2006, 07:10 PM

The Freedom Teachings aka: The Melchizedek Cloister Emerald Order Teachings
the Eieyani and the CDT-Plates
The Freedom Teachings

Perhaps?

Thomas