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[Dream]

Originally Posted by Seattlegal

OK, what about Behemoth and Ziz, then? (And what is lurking in the fourth direction? )

Ah, behold that tasty Ziz. I'd love to get my fork and knife into that yummy, yummy Ziz. Unfortunately it takes a very long time to cook a Ziz, like years to cook a Ziz. Finding recipes can be difficult as the spices can rot before the Ziz finishes cooking. Salt wouldn't rot, but I am very fond of rosemary and lemon as flavoring agents. A possibility is to cook it with salt, then slice it thin for use on pizzas or sandwiches. If one were to have Ziz as a pizza topping, would one call it a Pizzizza?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Dream

Ah, behold that tasty Ziz. I'd love to get my fork and knife into that yummy, yummy Ziz. Unfortunately it takes a very long time to cook a Ziz, like years to cook a Ziz. Finding recipes can be difficult as the spices can rot before the Ziz finishes cooking. Salt wouldn't rot, but I am very fond of rosemary and lemon as flavoring agents. A possibility is to cook it with salt, then slice it thin for use on pizzas or sandwiches. If one were to have Ziz as a pizza topping, would one call it a Pizzizza?

LOL. Etu Malku already has the dinner music composed in his Feast of Unas.

If you want tips on how to cook a Ziz, see the book Mind Like Fire Unbound.

[AndrewX]

Cross-posted from Esoteric Christianity revisited:

For those who wish to understand the basis of a Christian esotericism based on Theosophical principles and Teachings ...

... consider the continuity between 19th Century Occultism as popularized by H.P. Blavatsky and the 19 volumes of instruction for aspirants, disciples and initiates presented by Alice Bailey between 1919 and 1949.

The aforementioned 19 volumes (written by Bailey) reach us from the same Tibetan Initiate who was largely responsible for H.P. Blavatsky's The Secret Doctrine, and many students of both sets of Teachings will recognize this continuity.

I say again, students of both sets of teachings, because in 99% of the cases where someone of Theosophical background speaks out (usually against Alice Bailey), you will find that s/he has not actually taken much time to investigate the latter teachings impartially or as sincerely and devotedly as works of a Theosophical nature.

Students of astrology, or the astute Theosopher, may be aware of statements made by HPB herself wherein a particular Samaritan cycle of interest is mentioned ... in which the Sun precessed into Pisces in 255BC, then into Aquarius in the year 1900AD.

The Tibetan Master himself would seem to allow for the latter official date to be no later than the end of the second World War [June 1945], when the Christ "definitely and consciously took over His duties and responsibilities as the Teacher and Leader during the Aquarian solar cycle." [The Reappearance of the Christ, Alice A. Bailey, pp. 82-83]

What this amounts to in simple terms is that many of the same astrological influences and energies which were available to HPB during the authorship, inspiration and precipitation of writings during the 19th Century would not be and were not available to Alice Bailey (or perhaps her Teachers?) during the first half of the 20th Century ... when Alice's books were penned.

I share this because I know of no author during the 20th Century who contributed so much, so sincerely or so influentially on the Inner Side of life to the true heart and soul, the esoteric Cause, of Christ's own Christianity ... as Alice Bailey, combined with the true Heart and Soul of the books which she authored, the Tibetan Teacher DK.

I heartily recommend the book From Bethlehem to Calvary, written by Alice Bailey *herself* ... and NOT dictated, channeled or otherwise "inspired directly" by some outside source, Eastern or otherwise.

In this book, Alice tells us in her own words and in *Western terminology* of the five great crises of spiritual living or points of expansion of consciousness which marked the life of Jesus of Nazareth, and which are symbolic of the same five crises which each human Soul must someday undergo (John 14:6, John 6:44, John 12:32) ...

... on our long Journey from the unreal to the Real, from darkness unto Light and from death to Immortality. {for Theosophists, et al}

~+~

I have run out of steam for the evening, but in a future post I believe I may be able to say a bit more about how Ariadne's Thread underlies or substands the transition from 19th Century Theosophy to the various related neo-Theosophical Movements of the early 20th Century ... focusing especially on this pressing question (troubling to some) of WHY so many Neo-Theosophists and modern esotericists are intent or inclined to speak in the language of Christianity, or using Christian myth and allegory.

In the meantime, I believe the Intuition will serve to tell us much, if we ponder this question ... and I would welcome speculations, discussions or commentary on precisely this topic if there are those who have an especial interest.

On the one hand, I would be tempted to take it as no great mystery as to why this is - even if, as students of Alice Bailey recognize, it is precisely the Restoration of THE Mysteries, Greater and Lesser, which the Christ and Hierarchy will bring.

And yet, aren't we seeing precisely the cautioned-against effort to place new wine in old vessels ... ?

Watch the responses and reactions of Christians, even those of some esoteric bent ... with and against those who hearken to a Perennial Tradition which dates [as per HPB, et al - even the Vedists themselves] to a time far, far earlier than Judaism, let alone the Christianity of Christ's day and since.

What can it all mean?

If the answer appears to be clear, just remember:

Christ and the Great Ones [the `Externalization of the Hierarchy'] ever come to UNIFY and to MAKE WHOLE, and the outstanding quality of Love-Wisdom is Inclusivity.

If this is the case ...

[TruthSatnaam]

Originally Posted by Lunitik

For me, occultism is a something egoistic, you are desiring power. Studying occult arts is rather silly, it is simply your will that affects reality, that's basically it. Why will you want to impose your will on existence though? You are affirming your 'I', trying to prove its validity in the most ludicrous way possible. It is certainly true that all seekers as they go higher will attain certain powers, but they are something entrusted to you. If you rush these powers, you will not respect them, if they are your goal you will likely abuse them. The mystic will actually avoid using these powers, and see they are a call to further silence the mind less he accidentally use them, they are not something to be played with at all.

Then, it is not surprising that Theosophists are interested in the occult, since they say the highest is still an ego, indeed that God himself is ego. Certainly the masters are highly evolved spiritually, and yet Theosophy itself says that the higher beings are not going to interfere as much as the masters did, and I tell you even those higher beings are not the highest. Ultimately, all will have to drop the ego, only then are they truly merged with the whole - otherwise they are still subject to birth and death. These masters must surely see the futility of their insistence in focusing on this world, and yet they continue, they refuse to move higher because they still cling to material despite not being material in any scientific definition of the word.

Great^^^

Satnaam Ji