Acts of God?

[mee]

Angels from God helped Lot and his two daughters to escape to the nearby city of Zoar....................... it seems the angels of God are busy today as well .
(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,

going in the right direction can save our lives as well, finding out what the GOODNEWS is all about means we are in a better place of concealment , especially if we respond to the GOODNEWS and act on it and the direction of Jesus christ matthew 24;14 matthew 24;45-47

[bob x]

"Also, just a question, but is there any scientific proof of these two cities being destroyed (by fire)?? Just askin....
There is no mention of children specifically, but God does state that all were in a wretched state. A documentary on the History channel showed the ruins of two cities by what used to be a waterway in the Middle East, and indeed the ground and what was left of the cities' foundations appear to have been scorched at some point..."
But there were hardly any bodies at all. Whatever kind of upheaval destroyed Sdom and 'Umorah (probably, sulfurous gases released by earthquake activity, then catching fire), it gave plenty of warning for all the inhabitants to leave. The story in Genesis is a typical myth to account for unusual natural disasters: it was taken for granted then that natural disasters only happen because somebody did something to make the deities angry. One of the oldest parts of Genesis (written in particularly archaic Hebrew) is Gen. 14, which gives a different picture: the king of Sdom was a good friend and ally of Abraham.

[mee]

Likewise, just as it occurred in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building. But on the day that Lot came out of Sod′om it rained fire and sulphur from heaven and destroyed them all. luke 17;29;29

[mee]

“Remember the wife of Lot.”—LUKE 17:32.

AFTER telling about the marvelous deliverance that Jehovah performed in behalf of Noah and his family, the apostle Peter cited another historic example. He drew attention to the preservation of righteous Lot when Sodom and Gomorrah were reduced to ashes, as we read at 2 Peter 2:6-8. The details were preserved for our benefit. (Romans 15:4) Our taking to heart what occurred in connection with that deliverance can help to put us in line for preservation into God’s new world.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

"Also, just a question, but is there any scientific proof of these two cities being destroyed (by fire)?? Just askin....
There is no mention of children specifically, but God does state that all were in a wretched state. A documentary on the History channel showed the ruins of two cities by what used to be a waterway in the Middle East, and indeed the ground and what was left of the cities' foundations appear to have been scorched at some point..."
But there were hardly any bodies at all. Whatever kind of upheaval destroyed Sdom and 'Umorah (probably, sulfurous gases released by earthquake activity, then catching fire), it gave plenty of warning for all the inhabitants to leave. The story in Genesis is a typical myth to account for unusual natural disasters: it was taken for granted then that natural disasters only happen because somebody did something to make the deities angry. One of the oldest parts of Genesis (written in particularly archaic Hebrew) is Gen. 14, which gives a different picture: the king of Sdom was a good friend and ally of Abraham.

Yes, apparently there is...and the story isn't a myth about what natural disasters can do, but rather what lengths God will go to for, a petitioner, and a righteous man. That is the moral of the story, that seems to have skipped right past you.

[bob x]

But the TRUE story is that most of the inhabitants got out, and the few who died were no different from the ones who lived, just like the people who died in Katrina were not "more wicked" than the people who lived; things don't work the way the Bible tells the story, and they NEVER DID.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

But the TRUE story is that most of the inhabitants got out, and the few who died were no different from the ones who lived, just like the people who died in Katrina were not "more wicked" than the people who lived; things don't work the way the Bible tells the story, and they NEVER DID.

Bob, there is no argument here. God never said, "I will destroy the people". He said "I will destroy the cities". And the ones that did stay despite the warnings, did so because they challenged God's soveriegnty, and God said, "OK, here we go..." and they died because of their arrogance (which by the way is the primary reason for Sodom and Gomorrah's destruction), not for some such particular "sin" or another, but rather defiance.

God said, "you're rich, help those less fortunate than you, lift up your neighbor, be a beacon of light, don't be so arrogant". They replied "Up yours God".

Seems to me that anyone with any kind of moral and physical authority and in the majority as far as power, might react negatively to a minority telling them to pack sand...

What makes God any different?

v/r

Q

[bob x]

And the ones that did stay despite the warnings, did so because they challenged God's soveriegnty

Now you are making up your own story, no relation either to the Genesis story, or to the actual history.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by bob x

Now you are making up your own story, no relation either to the Genesis story, or to the actual history.

No, Bob. It's called using the intelligence God gave you to read between the lines. Two prosperous cities, with arrogant people, ignoring their responsibilities to their fellow man, while they "party hardied", at the cost of all others' needs...sound familiar? It should. You are ignoring what is the truth. That is why the bible is so antiquated to you, instead of alive and well in today's world. But the truth is, the stories apply to everyday living, now, as back then. We keep making the same mistakes...

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Q

[cyberpi]

As I read that Genesis story, Sodom was full of people who would treat Lot harshly, like sue him or punch him in the nose because he behaved as a judge and rebuked their actions. I think the people sealed their own fate.

[madeinrussia89]

Generally children are not perceived to be wicked, and are the beloved of God, so there most likely wasn't any around in that place.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

Generally children are not perceived to be wicked, and are the beloved of God, so there most likely wasn't any around in that place.

Well the story of Noah certainly has children being drowned. The thing is, life is not about the possession within this world... if it were then why does everybody die? One way or another the flesh is designed to die from the very first breath until the last. In the Gospels, God sends or allows others to send his Son... a Son of God... to the cross. An act of evil by God? I don't think so.

[madeinrussia89]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Well the story of Noah certainly has children being drowned. The thing is, life is not about the possession within this world... if it were then why does everybody die? One way or another the flesh is designed to die from the very first breath until the last. In the Gospels, God sends or allows others to send his Son... a Son of God... to the cross. An act of evil by God? I don't think so.

A lot of the old testament stories have children being killed. But it's not like God WANTS to do it " hey I'm just gonna go kill some kids ". The people during the time of Noah (if you want to believe it literally) lived a ridiculously long time, got constant warnings to save themselves (for apparently a 100 years) and their own children, ignored it and just kept on messing up, so **** had to happen.

So, maybe either the children weren't around at all (who knows, the place was pretty messed up) or children were prevented from that future by being killed.

[bob x]

Generally children are not perceived to be wicked, and are the beloved of God, so there most likely wasn't any around in that place.

Of course there were children in that place. Of course there were children among the dead. Natural disasters back then were no more selective than they are now. It is just that back then, everyone took the ignorant attitude that disasters happen with intention, that anyone struck by lightning must, obviously, have done something to anger whichever deity they thought controlled lightning.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by greymare

q were there not little children in these cities. Why would they have been destroyed? Thats the innocence I am talking about....

I think there is no doubt there would have been children there, however it depends how you look at it. Every human will and must die, we do so at different ages. Certainly in my faith children are deemed innocent and would be permitted to enter heaven without being judged. So for me I see it as a mercy for any child that dies, not that I like the death of any young life but if it has to be then at least I can be happy they will not have to fear hell.

Originally Posted by bob x

Whatever kind of upheaval destroyed Sdom and 'Umorah (probably, sulfurous gases released by earthquake activity, then catching fire), it gave plenty of warning for all the inhabitants to leave.

I read the translation by an Arabic historian that gave quite a lot of evidence for this Bob. He described the distance the people would have been, hence seeing the 'fire' coming from the sky. The land even to this day shows where the lava flow followed a dried river bed with a split in it causing the lava to flow in 2 directions (if I remember correctly). I shall see if I can find it again, it was very interesting reading.