Age of Aquarius

[Tao_Equus]

Hi there,

Originally Posted by aquaris

the other day.... BBC reported " the Birth of an Ocean "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4512244.stm


If we see..... since 2004 there are some very positive pointers ...indicating a very massive phyical Change in the Earth's geography...

like tsunami... which resulted because of the shift in tetonic place beneath the Indian ocean.... the Earth Quakes.... in the Kashmirs.... again because of shift in the Earths plate... then these earth Quakes or after shocks travell south West..
First ot Iran... then the Arabina penunsula...and now this report........of a possible birth of an ocean ....
All this happening within one-two years.....
.... so ARE we going to witness a REAL Massive Phyical change in the Geography of the World.....??

In short no. These are all pretty average geological activity. There is no evidence what so ever of any increase in frequency of such events. While, for example, the quake that caused the boxing day tsunami and the Kashmir earthquake were devastating localy, in geological terms they were both normal plate movements.

As for the story on the 'embryonic ocean', science has long known that the tectonics of the rift valley are moving the land east of it away from Africa. If you read the article carefully you can see that 1: modern scientific techniques allows us to make ever more accurate measurements, and 2: there are several if's and but's. Concluding, it a nice creatively written piece describing normal geologic proccesses in that area.

We dont have a personal recollection of the many 'genuine' superquakes or super-eruptions that have happened in the geological past. Its very human but a bit of a flight of fancy to read anything into whats happening in this age as anything other than normal. At least in geological terms.

Regards

TE

[bgruagach]

It seems that people aren't reading the whole news story. The "embryonic ocean" that scientists are talking about will take MILLIONS of years to get to the point where it's actually an ocean.

The only thing that is really new is that the scientists are seeing what they believe is the start of the formation of a sea bed.

This is hardly evidence for anything like a cataclysm or apocalypse, least of all one within the next few decades.

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by Pathless

Namaste all,

Poh, you mention the fifth level, which is strikingly familiar to the "fifth world" that the Hopi "prophecies" speak of. Interested parties might look into this, although I personally think the interpretation of the prophecy given here is too much on the cataclysmic side.

aloha e pathless .... I believe that the fifth world and the fifth level are the same .... and I also believe it relates to an internal process .... the Hopi prophecy is one of my favorites because they also say that "this is the time in which we will meet ourselves" .... can't remember exactly where I read it, but it has always stuck in my mind .... aloha nui, poh

[Phoenix72]

Originally Posted by bgruagach

It seems that people aren't reading the whole news story. The "embryonic ocean" that scientists are talking about will take MILLIONS of years to get to the point where it's actually an ocean.

The only thing that is really new is that the scientists are seeing what they believe is the start of the formation of a sea bed.

This is hardly evidence for anything like a cataclysm or apocalypse, least of all one within the next few decades.

An embryonic ocean is just one of the many global changes that happen all of the time, whether its the turn of an age or not, but in the same vein it could actually be one of the precursors of a change that Im sure most of us think is immenent (sp?).

Any great geological change will more than likely not be so gradual, crustal displacement theory was formed because huge tracts of land moving is the only way to explain some things, maps of land under the ice, rainforrests in places they couldn't grow....lands sinking below the sea....oops that one was myth, it can't be true.

How does the age of Aquarius relate? Change of some description follows every transition, the last one was a change in attitude and the beginning of the picean materialism, Sofia is still there she just wears the guise of a man or plays second fiddle to a patriarchal God, this age promises some growth inside people, a realisation. Many here advocate the internal change many the physical, physical destruction abounds now and in the past, Internal and social change has happened on the turn of ages, well at least once anyway.

If your willing to believe that internal change comes, then its hard to come down on somebody watching what they perceive to be the birth of an ocean. The only thing that is actually certain is that the stars turn and that concept was invented by people who say both, so who's right?

P72

[suanni]

Apologies if I'm already covering something that someone else has mentioned, I began to read the thread, got half way through and noticed the time

End of the world prophecies?
End of the world as we know it is a more likely scenario. A major shift that will end the way of the world as is, no explosion of the earth. The first person who hits the button for nuclear warfare will be the dumbest man alive.
Why should it be something traumatic....heck man will fight man as long as man is on the earth. It's man's way. He will always war with his neighbour.
Could be that some major natural event will shake the world to its roots. Could be some massive volcanic explosion that would trigger a volcanic winter and would have major repercussions elsewhere.
A comet strike? Possibly. Who can truly predict the future?
Most likely scenarios would be the effects of global warming...and that would give the water effect of ocean's rising but it would be gradual
Or...oil running out. Imagine the world without oil. That would be the end of the world as we know it.
I believe, and its is just my belief that many of the 'doomsday' scenarios as depicted in mythology are based upon natural history of those who wrote the mythologies. Kinda it happened once it will probably happen again but let's really lay it on thick to scare those in the future.

As for the age of Aquarius....it would be nice to see a time of peace and understanding. Why would we need to see cataclysmic events in order to achieve this? Could the world not slowly move towards it? Why would it take a major shift soon? From my understanding these ages last around 2000 years, should this enlightenment happen at the very beginning? Changes are already taking place. We're already realising that the provider of all our needs is under threat from our ways, the earth. The thread of change is there.

Right, I will read the rest of this long thread tomorrow and maybe return with a post. There are some very interesting posts here.

[Time traveler 3168]

quote:suanni

End of the world prophecies?
End of the world as we know it is a more likely scenario. A major shift that will end the way of the world as is, no explosion of the earth. The first person who hits the button for nuclear warfare will be the dumbest man alive.
Why should it be something traumatic....heck man will fight man as long as man is on the earth. It's man's way. He will always war with his neighbour.
Could be that some major natural event will shake the world to its roots. Could be some massive volcanic explosion that would trigger a volcanic winter and would have major repercussions elsewhere.
A comet strike? Possibly. Who can truly predict the future?

Greetings Suanni

The human psyche generally doesnt like pain. When it is confronted by the issue it will do anything to get rid of it including forgeting the event totally that brought the pain as it may be or have been too traumatic. This is experienced by most people who are in bad accidents who dont remember past a particular point as the mind has chosen to forget that experience after a certain point.

In respect to the age of aquarius and the possible scenarios to getting there, I choose to be a realist and deal with the facts at hand. I think the first person who hits the button isnt the dumbest man alive as idiocy is contageous. You cant forget all those "dummys" who had part in its construction, the monster who invented it ( what on earth were they thinking?????) and the vileness of those who deal with them in anyway shape or form. Sorry, but I consider the nuke something of absolute evil intent with only one purpose. Ofcourse it is only an inanimate object and I know by now that the true evil is the mind behind it. With 30,000 or so nukes around, we still have a , um, yeah.. problem.

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/nuclear/wrjp205b.html

I doubt that man will always fight with his neighbour. Yes today we might be bitter foes, tomorrow we are friends and next year we are... This is the basis for the cycles in nature that also manifest in mankind. Day turns to night, life to death. War and peace. History will show that this "next " war changed mankinds perspective, otherwise when will it end? Weapons and there capacity to destroy cannot get any worse in relevance to humanity and they seem to me to be at the top of the scale.

Nothing lasts forever.

If "I" look at the world today then transport myself to the so called "age of aquarius" with its Elysium fields covered in tofu and lentils, theres quite a space to cover in what seems to be a very short space of time from here to there, so something sudden will "have" to change us and will as it has to, one way or the other. We stop the machine or it will stop us. It has to happen...

As for the age of Aquarius....it would be nice to see a time of peace and understanding. Why would we need to see cataclysmic events in order to achieve this? Could the world not slowly move towards it? Why would it take a major shift soon? From my understanding these ages last around 2000 years, should this enlightenment happen at the very beginning? Changes are already taking place. We're already realising that the provider of all our needs is under threat from our ways, the earth. The thread of change is there.

Antarctica, March 200 : The larsen-b iceshelf completely collapsed in 30 days sending 500 million billion tons of ice into the Weddell sea. Prior to this iceburg b22, more than 40 miles wide and 50 miles long with an area of about 2125 sq miles broke of the thwaites ice tongue and sailed into the sunset.

Global warming, weapons of mass insanity, meteors , wars, more wars. famine, disease-eg; birdflu,( what will be next?) poles flipping, people flipping, earthquakes, tsunamis, yarda,yarda,yarda (as seen on recent pages); all the good stuff and it seems to be coming to a place near us all .

What changes are taking place?
The people, leaders and goverments have other ideas and "generally" dont have a "lets take care of mother earth " attitude as capitalism has nothing to do with saving the dolphins or hugging a tree.
A fundimental point for me is that all systems are held together by there parts and if one or two fail then the whole thing can collapse and stop functioning and I believe I am seeing this happening today. The "thread" of change has only been due to the damage already being done, a kind of" buy now and pay later" attitude which we are all having to pay for today, bigtime...
What ever happen to prevention, as an alternative to the cure?

Yes there is hope, but only for some as far as im concerned while the world continues its speeding path toward obliteration. If somebody can see a clear and "human"way from here to aquarius, please show me how, as the world seems to me to be heading down the long dark road...
Destruction,seems inevidable and though I know its just "change" and part of a cycle, I believe it aint going to be pretty till we get there....





That which is not dead which can eternal lie
and with strange aeons even death may die.
Necronomicon

[suanni]

I've finally read through this thread.
[QUOTE=Time traveler 3168]

I

doubt that man will always fight with his neighbour. Yes today we might be bitter foes, tomorrow we are friends and next year we are... This is the basis for the cycles in nature that also manifest in mankind. Day turns to night, life to death. War and peace. History will show that this "next " war changed mankinds perspective, otherwise when will it end? Weapons and there capacity to destroy cannot get any worse in relevance to humanity and they seem to me to be at the top of the scale.

Man will always fight each other for the simple reason mankind always wants what his neighbour has. Greed. Simple as that. Greed ain't always bad but for the most part it is responsible for the worst atrocities that mankind can inflict upon another living being.

Nothing lasts forever.

True

If "I" look at the world today then transport myself to the so called "age of aquarius" with its Elysium fields covered in tofu and lentils, theres quite a space to cover in what seems to be a very short space of time from here to there, so something sudden will "have" to change us and will as it has to, one way or the other. We stop the machine or it will stop us. It has to happen...

The age will last over 2000 years. Yes something will have to take place but only if the ancients got it spot on with the dates. The poles flipping (if this is fact and not simply theory awaiting to be proved fact) I guess will have an enormous impact upon the earth

Antarctica, March 200 : The larsen-b iceshelf completely collapsed in 30 days sending 500 million billion tons of ice into the Weddell sea. Prior to this iceburg b22, more than 40 miles wide and 50 miles long with an area of about 2125 sq miles broke of the thwaites ice tongue and sailed into the sunset.
Global warming, weapons of mass insanity, meteors , wars, more wars. famine, disease-eg; birdflu,( what will be next?) poles flipping, people flipping, earthquakes, tsunamis, yarda,yarda,yarda (as seen on recent pages); all the good stuff and it seems to be coming to a place near us all .

What changes are taking place?

Apart from global warming the rest are nothing unusual in the history of the earth. Its not like we have suddenly got to the 21st Century and suddenly experienced tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, famines etc and war has always been with us. Try looking in the history books for a century where there hasn't been war or persecution. I can't recollect ever looking at/reading the news without mention of at least one of that list and that has been in my lifetime so far.
Global warming is going to make a massive impact and I doubt global warming is just man's destructive influence upon the earth. Man has got a lot to answer for with regard to global warming though.
Once upon a time the poles weren't covered in ice. Precession will also have a great effect upon the climate of the earth. Nothing is static.

The people, leaders and goverments have other ideas and "generally" dont have a "lets take care of mother earth " attitude as capitalism has nothing to do with saving the dolphins or hugging a tree.
A fundimental point for me is that all systems are held together by there parts and if one or two fail then the whole thing can collapse and stop functioning and I believe I am seeing this happening today. The "thread" of change has only been due to the damage already being done, a kind of" buy now and pay later" attitude which we are all having to pay for today, bigtime...
What ever happen to prevention, as an alternative to the cure?

Leaders ultimately have to listen to the general public for it is the general public that vote them into office. But concern for the earth we live upon and her crying needs is much too slow and action even slower.



The reason I said imagine the world without oil...maybe I should have said fossil fuels...
The world is dependent upon fossil fuels for transport, heating, manufacturing....most processes upon earth, even medications and preservatives for many things. As the world's reserves diminish (and do you really think the govts of the world are going to admit that they are running out? Okay, the UK is admitting it...but the rest of the world?) the fight for the remaining fuels will begin. Prices will rocket, what used to be an essential everyday item will become priceless.....cos as far as I'm aware there is no realistic alternative as yet. Whoever is in possession of the last remaining reserves will have to fight bitterly to retain it.... need I go on drawing the picture?
There is your world war. There is the world changed as we know it.

I think we will be debating these effects well up to the dates concerned.

[Time traveler 3168]

Hi suanni


hmm..?

quote:

Man will always fight each other for the simple reason mankind always wants what his neighbour has. Greed. Simple as that. Greed ain't always bad but for the most part it is responsible for the worst atrocities that mankind can inflict upon another living being.

God forbidd that "man will always fight each other". Everything passes hopefully including the tendancy to blow up thy neighbour , pillage his land then justify it by some bizzare reason. Lets hope "greed" ends as it i always bad and a little greed has the capacity to turn into a lot of greed ,overnight.

quote:

The age will last over 2000 years. Yes something will have to take place but only if the ancients got it spot on with the dates. The poles flipping (if this is fact and not simply theory awaiting to be proved fact) I guess will have an enormous impact upon the earth


Your armeggedon/ apocalpse/ end world theory is as good as mine and that guys' ,who is waiting for the clouds to part. Pick a religion or following, then look at its endtime scenario. You read the recent pages to this thread and saw the diversity of answers. Yes , no, maybe,?
The ancients to my knowledge werent wrong with calculations the error being on the part of the viewer. Pole flipping? sounds very dramatic and conjures scenes of people and building been thrown across a dante'esque landscape or miles into the sky... I think there is enought evidence to show something of "that" nature is going to happen.
When? Is it the ever popular 2012; shall I get front row seats? will I be able to watch the end on tv eating a mc rib cos its always going to happen " overthere" thats if it happens at all?. Is it that comet that does it? um?

http://www.download-free-games.com/o.../asteroids.htm




quote:

Apart from global warming.......

Need we say more as there are so many factors effected by this occuring event that it changes most things. Once again, there is a rule in nature that says all things are held in check by everything else and once boundaries collapse so does the system.

quote:

Leaders ultimately have to listen to the general public for it is the general public that vote them into office.

Im going to put that belief in the realm of the posibly reptile people returning with the mothership or world peace via a lay down or arms. Voting? what does that have to do with whom becomes our leaders?

quote:

Try looking in the history books for a century where there hasn't been war or persecution. I can't recollect ever looking at/reading the news without mention of at least one of that list and that has been in my lifetime so far.

Hmm?, ok.. Im looking down at a desk full of open books on historys of wars and you know your right.
Wow, they created the crossbow and used it imediantly just like all the weopons before it. Look at the blood. Anyway, your continuing to be right. Every century, no every 50 yrs, less, it all breaks loose. excellent. Oh look, we now have napalm, lets use it, with the m-60 and the BOMB. yeah, we just have to use that. "wooosh!" Well thats one way to end a war, they work really well lets make thousands of them and threaten our neighbours with them. What else can we use them for but that.

This silly game will have to turn around soon one way or another. Disarm or destroy? Does the pattern of the world at this very moment look like we are heading down a path of understanding or ignorance?
If ignorance is bliss, then what is understanding?

Nobody likes pain of any calibre and we all wish to be happy.... It is possible

http://www.bitstorm.org/happyjoy/

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The reason I said imagine the world without oil...maybe I should have said fossil fuels...
The world is dependent upon fossil fuels for transport, heating, manufacturing....most processes upon earth, even medications and preservatives for many things. As the world's reserves diminish (and do you really think the govts of the world are going to admit that they are running out? Okay, the UK is admitting it...but the rest of the world?) the fight for the remaining fuels will begin. Prices will rocket, what used to be an essential everyday item will become priceless.....cos as far as I'm aware there is no realistic alternative as yet. Whoever is in possession of the last remaining reserves will have to fight bitterly to retain it.... need I go on drawing the picture?
There is your world war. There is the world changed as we know it.

I think we will be debating these effects well up to the dates concerned.

I dont think I could have put it better myself. "Fighting bitterly". Yep, I say. The quicker we end this game of soldiers before more people get hurt, the better. People should be able to live in a world without threat from greedy neighbours....

Its a great dream.... peace.

[I, Brian]

As probably noticed, I tend to be suspicious towards applying any specific interpretation of religious literature as prophesising a coming Apocalypse.

However, a point perhaps worth underlining is that the increasingly technical nature of society makes it increasingly vulnerable to events that would not otherwise threaten.

For example, the issue of the poles flipping - I don't believe there are any significant extinction events associated with this in the geological record, so no immediate environmental effect - but it could have a dramatic impact on the global communications network, and the variety of satellites already in orbit above the planet.

Another point to follow, is that if earth were to face any catastrophic event, we've already mined and processed the most accessible raw materials for industrial production - therefore any regression in technological use would mean that humanity would likely have far more difficulty in returning up the same technological steps.

[suanni]

Pick a religion or following, then look at its endtime scenario. You read the recent pages to this thread and saw the diversity of answers. Yes , no, maybe,?

I read the whole thread... it took some time!
I am aware of the many tales of doom and gloom that the varying religions/myths portray and that they invariably wind up, in basic terms to the same thing. However, in my thinking, the authors of the doomsday scenarios will have had the tales from their ancestors (I'm talking the first doomsday scenario, which many will have borrowed off). No doubt the earth will have rebirthed itself at some point previously and our ancestors will have been aware that history does repeat itself, that the world is not static. Birth is painful, there has to be a death in order for a birth to occur and a dark period in-between. In consideration of the fact that the worlds volcanos and fault lines were much more active in centuries gone by, end of world would have been a major catastrophe like the tsunami in S. East Asia. One major natural event has repercussions with the rest of the world. A major volcanic eruption has repercussions upon the weather for the rest of the world due to dust in the atmosphere.
One thing I am not going to make comment on is the astronomy. Its one area where my knowledge is deficient. someone had a very heavy night at the pub the previous evening when my physics class covered the basics of astronomy. I have yet to redress that! I do have an understanding of precession

The ancients to my knowledge werent wrong with calculations the error being on the part of the viewer.

We are not going to know if the ancients are going to be 100% accurate in their predictions until the events pass. Until then its ifs and buts, and if and but in the English language are the biggest words! I mean if they are correct what are we supposed to do to prepare for the event? According to some of the scenarios we ain't going to be around afterwards!

Pole flipping? sounds very dramatic and conjures scenes of people and building been thrown across a dante'esque landscape or miles into the sky... I think there is enought evidence to show something of "that" nature is going to happen. When? Is it the ever popular 2012; shall I get front row seats? will I be able to watch the end on tv eating a mc rib cos its always going to happen " overthere" thats if it happens at all?. Is it that comet that does it? um?

What is estimated for 2012 is that the sun's poles will flip. But this is unlikely to affect the earth as it happens on a regular basis and doesn't seem to make an impact on the earth. However, from what I've been reading the earth's poles flipping will have an impact. Animals rely upon the earth's magnetic field for navigation. There is also a possibility that the earth will be hit with radiation from space that will have major impact. But again all this is theory and unti the event happens theory is theory.
2012 could see yellowstone blow big time and if that blows big time that will have a major impact and it will be an end of world scenario....end of world as we know it. Again though its an if
Oh, yeah, meant to add this. Bird flu has happened before. Just after the first world war and it took more lives than the war took. That is why scientists are terrified of it crossing the species gap.
World unity? World peace? If a truly major catastrophe hits the earth, if the world reaction to the tsunami is anything to go by there will be world unity.
But again its an if

Its a great dream.... peace.

Nicely put....dream of peace. We've dreamed of that for a long time. It is a great dream. It would be nice to see it happen but I ain't holding my breath.

A bit of a smile....if all the predictions are true (going by the mayan predictions, which do sound accurate) and man will communicate by telepathy, how many are going to be brought up for murderous thoughts by the courts?

[suanni]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

As probably noticed, I tend to be suspicious towards applying any specific interpretation of religious literature as prophesising a coming Apocalypse.

However, a point perhaps worth underlining is that the increasingly technical nature of society makes it increasingly vulnerable to events that would not otherwise threaten.


Another point to follow, is that if earth were to face any catastrophic event, we've already mined and processed the most accessible raw materials for industrial production - therefore any regression in technological use would mean that humanity would likely have far more difficulty in returning up the same technological steps.

I agree here. Man will have to regress to its old lifestyle before fossil fuels were used to forward society. The majority of the population would have no idea how to live without technology. The world would be in turmoil and it would hit every aspect of life, from birth to death. We are too reliant upon technology...says she sitting at technology to reply to this thread.

[Time traveler 3168]

Reality, is based apon who is percieving it..

Tuesday, December 20th,2005.

Lets see, what will I do today? Hmm? maybe I ll go out and enjoy myself, its xmas and maybe Ill go drinking or something to that tendancy. Maybe Ill read a book, or grab some videos? Maybe get on that site and see what people are saying about that age of aquarius thread?- ( that place is full of mushroom eating hippy wakos who believe in everything from crystal healings to doomsday predictions)
So I chose to be with my fruity brothers and sisters and once again go around the block with a subject that seems to attract certain people. This is the choice of " reality" I and you chose for this part of time so we sit and stare into the monitor at a bunch of pixels transfering information. I could be watching a movie, reading book, flying a kite, puking in the pub toilets, dreaming I am butterfly or reading something from a website. Its all reality, one no greater than the other, though people will constantly try to tell you to live in the "real" world, whatever that is....

quote:

We are not going to know if the ancients are going to be 100% accurate in their predictions until the events pass. Until then its ifs and buts, and if and but in the English language are the biggest words! I mean if they are correct what are we supposed to do to prepare for the event? According to some of the scenarios we ain't going to be around afterwards!


A long time ago , I asked myself a question regarding endtime prophecies of doom and gloom followed by this age of beauty( aquarius ). "If these ancients are warning us, then there are two questions to answer. Why are they doing it, and HOW does one see an event that hasnt happen yet?
Yeah, they can make pyramids that still boggle the mind,ziggurats, stone structures using tons of earth without the use of machinery, the wheel, or metal tools; ancient calenders, mathematics, astronomy, etc, etc, but could they, or some of them see the future? Its a big one and would eliminate the walls of reality if were it true, bringing more questions to the table than answers. Maybe they are trying to warn us?

A good place to start this adventure into the future is always Mr Nostradamus

Century 1:25

The knowledge lost for such a long time
Pasteur shall be honoured as a demi god
This before the moon completes her great cycle...

Lets not forget Nostradamus lived and died in the 1500's....
The great cycle of the moon ran from 1535 to 1889. Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) found that germ carry disease through the air, one of medicines greatest discoveries, leading to the founding of the institut Pasteur in 1889.

http://www.asm.org/MemberShip/index.asp?bid=16899

What a sense of humor - seeing the future somehow, before its happened, maybe?


Century 10:100

A great empire shall be given to England
She shall be all powerful for more than 300 years
Her armies shall cross land and sea...

Nostardamus' prophecies were published around 1558. The treaty of union was enacted on may 1707.

http://www.constitution.org/sech/sech_121.htm

Is the master time-splicer not only telling us when she would become the United Kingdom of great Britain, but when she will cease to be ?

..be all powerful for more than 300 years

Isnt perception great, maybe i should be having a beer which is a nicer form of reality , but it will have to wait.....

So... More than 300 years is say a little over 300, maybe less than 305 yrs or around there . So 1707+ (more than) 300 = 2007 - 2012. Once again, Maybe.

This is the last prophecy in his Centuries, and one of the most humorous. Makes me laugh anyway.... ofcourse there are 100 prophecies in 10 x centuries, in his book making 1000 prophecies, but...
there are 58 missing prophecies, ( some books say a fire, some say stolen, other say they decayed) from century 7,; making only 42 for the complete 7th century. ( all these numbers are a gematriast's dream ) making a grand total of 942 which = 13 x 72.4, which once again , i believe is no mistake or are missing at all.

That beer is looking "real" good....

I cannot tell you if someone can see the future and most importantly "how?"and possibly even begin to warn us from a millenia away, and If I or " you" knew, doubt you or I would say anything anyway. Funny that...

I have my own beliefs and have zero need to tell or prove anything as our reality is our own handed down by the universe for a purpose as far as im concerned.
We will have to wait and see how britain goes in the next 7 yrs, personally I believe the man is never wrong....

Yes I,Brian. being sceptical is the best medicine and the apple better be in the apple pie before youll get me to bite.

I think I personally have seen enough to show me they "could" see, or more like were "shown" a future that has already happen somewhere within the timespace continual. And " if" they could see it, and "have" tried to warn us, what shall we do?

True Knowledge is power with a purpose.

Now , excuse me while I pay my respects to the beer god




Question: Is the cup half full or half empty?
Answer: There is no cup

Peace

[suanni]

I discovered this on the net, in search of something else and think that it is very fitting to this thread

http://www.ianlawton.com/nde1.htm

[Time traveler 3168]

Hello Suanni,

Its nice to read storys like the one you linked on your last message. Makes me feel a little sane in this mad, mad world. Ofcourse anyone can write they seen God, the light, or whatever but as I said recently, our personal realitys are our own...

There are many cases of people seeing stuff or being transported to another place to view" reality" from a different part. The "dream" world can be many things to many people as this world is, its what you make of it. "placid" or "vivid" dreams are my favorite and their are techniques anyone can follow to put your body to sleep while your mind stays awake and off you go, well not really as you were already there- just didnt "see" it.

As a young child I was diagnosed with epilepsy and would have my siezures in my sleep I was told. I was told that flashing lights or sudden quick movements could "trigger" an attack and told to stay away from sporting activitys incase I was struck in the head, which could also trigger a seizure.
I remember a particular night during a lightning storm huddled under the sheets afraid of the storm, I began to peek out from the covers when a succesion of lightning flashes occured and instantly my surrounding were changed. I was still in my bed but it was now day time and I was in a massive open field covered in flowers as far as the eyes could see. I freaked out and went back under the covers to fall asleep( was I awake?) again and wake in the morning.
That would be the begining of some very strange events that would change my life dramatically. frequent visits by small "aliens" outside my window which would appear after a sound( a wave of high and low pitched droning at a slow speed), that they would make before they arrived.

Yes, call the funny farm as these little people had little ships they would arrive in.

Kids have such great imaginations...

Years passed as did the epilepsy, thank God, and all was forgoten till one day as a teenager i had a problem down at the beach. While in the water I had been dragged out into a "ripp" and was having problems with the huge surf. I was tiring fast and was caught in the crash zone of the waves. I waved at the beach for help as Id cramped up and was taking water in. Next moment Im under the water feeling calm as all was silent. It felt like my body had become the ocean,a very nice feeling mixed with a feeling of peace. All seemed very small as It was like being the universe as opposed to being part of it. I Knew the answers to everything, though am still to find the questions. I remember wanting to speak but couldnt ( maybe my lungs being full of water had something to do with it) as the joy and extasy was overwhelming. Felt like I was there for eternity and next moment Im being taken from the water, something I watched like on a tv screen. All then I remember was waking on the beach to the sound of seawater rushing from my mouth. My friend said a person in the water saved me then sudenly vanished without a word.

After that , I began having my nightly visits again, now by "things" I would rather not mention as I have riddeculed myself enough in this message to gain the wrath of the "realists" out there. That event woke me up to follow what was happening to me by looking into the subject mainly involved with the occult, and my search still continues in this world of Maya ( unreal world) as opposed to the real world ( the dream world, land of the dead, dreamtime, spitrit world). Yep, up is down, night is day, and God may be real and were not, until we are back to the source, then what is real becomes unreal.


reality is based on whos percieving it....

Theres nothing special about being "visited" by things most people believe dont exist. Personally its kinda, bitter-sweet to live in a world where the walls of reality seem to wander occasionally and I spent a great deal of my life fighting it; ofcourse what I want, and what the universe (God) wants are two very different things, best to go with what God wants, theres a purpose....

So if its little green men, Monsters in the closet,( not to forget the ones under the bed) Angels in the backyard, Jesus, Buddah, A little old lady, or whatever is coming to you, embrace it- its probably more afraid of you than you of it.

Once we let go of all and dare to believe, only then do we let go of fear and fall blindly into the arms of God.

Dare to believe, God has a purpose for us all.....

[suanni]

Hi Time Traveller

Now you're making me feel....I don't know, I don't think sane is the word
I too as a teenager was diagnosed with epilepsy and the triggers were flashing lights and I guess stress cos when I was tired/very emotional they would be worse. My seizures usually occurred as I slept but as the condition went on undiagnosed (and worsening) they started occuring at daybreak (waking me up before they commenced) and later during the day. And I knew when it was coming, I had what could only be described as a floaty feeling and reality was just totally unhinged. Very strange sensation, especially when fully awake and at school. Kinda there but not there. I know its often referred to as the aura before a seizure. Happily I grew out of it too, although, the strangest part for me is the fact that I wanted to be a scientist of some description during my teenager years, and took the necessary subjects in order to become so. As the years progress the seizures got worse and when in 6th form college doing A levels in the sciences they got even worse....blamed on the fact that I partied too heavily! Up until the term of the final exams nobody had told me that because of my condition I would be highly unlikely to be able to work in the field that I wanted to....not until 3 weeks before the finals. So I kinda like said stuff it
Years later, epilepsy gone I decided to try again. Got myself back into education. First with local history to get back to studying again and then I commenced with the sciences. And back came the epilepsy. So I pulled back again and the epilepsy vanished.
I think it was 4 years later no sign of a seizure and I tried again. Back came the seizures.
What is ironic is that I can study any subject in depth, put myself under enormous pressure/strain, work away on a PC (considering that should make it worse...it don't) for hours and as long as I don't start training to work in science I'm seizure free.

Dare to believe, God has a purpose for us all.....

I think there is a greater plan afoot,although what I have not got the foggiest. I'm not meant to work in that field.
As for the rest of your story, I believe you. I have seen some weird and wonderful things and not down to auras etc preceding a seizure and not all epileptics see such things. Some can be put down to the current in the brain going haywire....but not all of it. We do not understand the mechanism of the brain entirely, nor truly what causes epilepsy.
Your NDE....I'm not going to ridicule it....I wonder who that person was who saved you....far from it. For the most part I am sceptical towards psychologists criticisms of NDEs....now I am going to put myself at odds with the realists. The night previous to my mother dying (we knew she was ill but I was unaware that she was at death's door and my mother knew my 'abilities') I had a very lucid dream. I was in a waiting room with my mother, my grandmother and grandfather. I had never ever met my grandfather who had died when my mother was 7 and never recollect meeting my grandmother who died when I was 2. This dream...and I know my mother was instructing me on something...no idea what now...ended with the phone ringing. My father had found my mother close to death. She died 2 hours later.
Although this is somewhat twisting the thread (apologies everyone)

Seasons greetings Time Traveller.