agnosticism

[Edward Palamar]

Originally Posted by Etu Malku

Intelligent inquiry is . . .

But, one will not find any such intelligent inquiry from the agnostic. Every agnostic knows that atheism depends upon Theism for that is within the bounds of rational thought. Any defense of agnosticism is as a pretense, a ruse, a lie.

[Edward Palamar]

Originally Posted by luecy7

You ultimately can't . . .

Much like ending a sentence with a preposition have I treated the verb "can't" in light of the verse "With God, all things shall be possible." (and the fact that we can pray)

Because Gabriel spoke those words in prophecy, I often cite those who use the word "can't" as suffering from 'Gabrielitis'.

[Edward Palamar]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

Oh my! Someone is walking his dogma without a popper-scooper.

It seems to me that would be a pope-er scooper.

[luecy7]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Playing connect the dots. (You know how hard it can be for the subconscious and the conscious to communicate and how time is much different to the subconscious than to the conscious mind?)

One being's conscious is another being's subconscious.

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Edward Palamar

But, one will not find any such intelligent inquiry from the agnostic. Every agnostic knows that atheism depends upon Theism for that is within the bounds of rational thought. Any defense of agnosticism is as a pretense, a ruse, a lie.

How do justify this statement? You've said it before, and honestly it makes no sense to me.
Agnostics come in all levels of intelligence, some will inquire with intelligence, others may not.
Agnostics are not interested in atheism, so why slap them together? Do you know the difference?
How can Theism be in the bounds of rational thought, you have it completely backwards, Theists have 'NOTHING' to go on except Faith, which is simply a lack of evidence to support anything Theistic, there is nothing less rational than basing your ideology on Faith.

[radarmark]

EP. Logic demands a reply. I am intelligent (being a human being). I joined this forum to find out about other faiths (hence I inquire). I am an agnostic. So there is at least one agnoatic that makes intelligent inquires, therefore your first sentence is refuted.

If one is an atheist, then one does not beleive in the existence of G!d, hence theism is thought false. If theism is thought false one thinks it is factually incorrect, a meaningless statement, or an irrational belief (including combinations thereof). So (for the atheist) theism implies error or meaninglessness or irrationality. For an atheist to use theism as a reference or bound is to limit thought based on an error, meaninglessness, or irrationality. Hence for an atheist to bound their thought with theism is irrational (in contradiction to fact, in contradiction to meaningful discourse or in contradiction to reason). You are free to think this, but it is logically inconsistent, so your second sentence is refuted.

I am an agnostic and a member of the Society of Friends. One of the Testimonies of the Friends (what Quakers bpractice) is integrity (think of it as lying to someone is lying to G!d). I have just now lied according to your third sentence, thus it too is refuted because I know I am not lying.

Where did you learn that defining things made them manifest (that is what you have done in all three cases). Think it all you like. You are logically and factually incorrect.

Panta Rhei! (Everything Flows!)

[donnann]

Originally Posted by luecy7

One being's conscious is another being's subconscious.

Isnt the connection of subconscious and conscious using more brain?

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Allelyah

Etu Malku and life interested similarly with Jung and images that either spur or unite understanding,

It is understood that Freud used himself within what is termed "Aural-Images of dialogs" which is to have a vocabulary interpreting understanding style. This was not well talked about, was attached to what life calls dreaming, which is also not well talked about. Freud was/is understood to have dreamed in words only. With what is called dreaming, understood correctly, this is interesting to know about together with what the area of Jung discussed about archetypes and this is how life understands.
The causation of the movement of consciousness, which is how life understands what is seen (or "mentalized", which is the same, but occurring in the dark) to either information or knowledge, is how life participates in addendum(s) to continuable activity.

Lucifer, by the way, when going around the way he always does is caused to do a right eye wink. Even while he is seemingly doing something different, it is allowed to happen as an activity, because it is what he loves to do and others find it "dandy", when it occurs within what is a continuous rotation area (no primitive unconscious and only good current of what is the communication of infatuation). Now that is interesting.

I am speechless . . . well, almost

[Edward Palamar]

Originally Posted by Etu Malku

Theists have 'NOTHING' to go on except Faith,

That is a misconception from the atheist's point of view. The reality of the dimension from the Theist's point of view is that the Theist has everything to go on including faith, (whereas the atheist can only throw faith out the window, usually in the direction of the Theist). Remember, the atheist cannot exist without the Theist. Even if one chooses to toe the line between atheism and Theism, there is the logical point A and point B, point A always comes first.

[Edward Palamar]

Originally Posted by radarmark

EP. Logic demands a reply.

Logic is a mental gift from God - but you remove yourself from all that by supposing things are otherwise. The first commandment has seperate considerations for mind, heart, soul, and strength. You are attempting to give soul to mind, and then make the mind out to be a terrorist.

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Allelyah

Now, what does this partial image of an eternal interst say? If you can imagine this placed to a rotation (similar to what life understands about the earth revolving which you understand is occuring, but that "most" do not experience that way), this is how you understand from and experience emotion that is what is referred to as the unconscious process.

I understand this as "terrorism is life doing what it can not continue to do." With this picture, integration (a rupture a separation) is not being allowed to occur and there is a freeze or a time out that is in force. What I am calling freezes here occur (similar to time lapse photography or weather radar) and there can be more said about that if it is necesary.

Nah . . . I'm calling You a Screw Ball.

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Edward Palamar

That is a misconception from the atheist's point of view.

First I'm not Atheist.

The reality of the dimension from the Theist's point of view is that the Theist has everything to go on including faith, (whereas the atheist can only throw faith out the window, usually in the direction of the Theist).

Thanks for reiterating what I just said.

Remember, the atheist cannot exist without the Theist. Even if one chooses to toe the line between atheism and Theism, there is the logical point A and point B, point A always comes first.

You don't listen do you? Radar already addressed just this point . . . Atheism does not recognize Theism, get it? Nothing to do with make-believe, fictional, mythological stories.

[Nick the Pilot]

"...I'm calling You a Screw Ball."

--> I thought you meant, "Screw baseball!"

[radarmark]

Originally Posted by Edward Palamar

Logic is a mental gift from God - but you remove yourself from all that by supposing things are otherwise. The first commandment has seperate considerations for mind, heart, soul, and strength. You are attempting to give soul to mind, and then make the mind out to be a terrorist.

Hmmm. If you can live without thinking (you are quite close to it now, be my guest. Just do not expect any of us to follow down the Terri Schiavo rat-hole.

Logic is a gift from G!d, it allows one to organize and make sense of things. If your "soul" is in conflict with logic (which by your posts it is) you have a real problem. Like Simon Magus, whose soul told him he was Christ and as such could fly, the laws of G!d (in this case gravity) will show that what you claim is not real.

You failed utterly to reply to my post #427. It is false, simply incorrect to claim the following:

1) agnoistics are incapable of intelligent inquiry,
2) atheism depends on theism in any way, and
3) a defense of agnosticism is a lie.

I shall continue to post a demand for an explanation until you defend the statements in question.

Panta Rhei! (Everything Flows!)

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by radarmark

Like Simon Magus, whose soul told him he was Christ and as such could fly, the laws of G!d (in this case gravity) will show that what you claim is not real.

Now now, we all know Simon was The Baptist's favorite little mage and would have been head of the Christian cult . . . but Peter killed him just in time for John to be beheaded and that left Yeshua!