Alternative christian sects section? - Page 7

seattlegal · 10-22-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

So who says that a person can not be a Jew and a Christian... besides Hitler is there anyone? Anyone here?

You miss the point, cyberpi. Acts 11 explains that the term "Christian" was not used until after the Gentiles started to become converted. Verse 26 shows the term was first used in Antioch.

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26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

Christianity is about showing that God is God of everyone, not just one group. In the early church, there was some cultural confusion and arguments regarding Jewish and Greek cultures. Christianity transcends culture.
Therefore, the term Jew or Gentile is really irrelevant when it comes to Christianity:

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1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:26-29
26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

seattlegal · 10-22-2006, 03:50 PM

oops! double post!

cyberpi · 10-22-2006, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

There was nothing new other than His purpose on Earth and the OT was talking about that since the beginning.

I found a few things that were new. Make that quite a few things.

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

..The first Christians were His disciples.

Which was my point with the quoted verses. If his disciples were Christians then everyone that has come after in history does NOT define Christianity. As you've pointed out, Jesus (pbuh) defined Christianity.

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Now stop being rude, cyberpi. You can discuss without being provoking.

Do I anger you, or do you choose to get angry over my words? Am I at fault for what you choose to be provoked by? I find the claim that Christ was not a Christian to be provocative. I find the claim that he was a Jew instead is another eye opener. I find the claim that he was God simply defies his words as quoted in the Gospels. So should I call you or Q rude or insulting for being provocative? Nope... and I forgive you for doing so.

I think I've found some beliefs here that belong in an alternative Christian sect section, but I'm not the one that defines Christianity... Jesus (pbuh) is.

inhumility · 10-22-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wil

The funny twist is; many of them are exactly like the rest of Christianity...they think they have it right and the rest have it wrong!

This phenomenon is in every Religion, every sect thinks it is correct and other's are wrong.Every time a new sect is formed mostly for the fault of the exiting ones, the existing ones make a joint stand to ridicule it.
Thanks

lunamoth · 10-22-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by inhumility

This phenomenon is in every Religion, every sect thinks it is correct and other's are wrong.Every time a new sect is formed mostly for the fault of the exiting ones, the existing ones make a joint stand to ridicule it.
Thanks

You have just shown the disingenuity and hyposcrisy of your own view Inhumility.

What makes you think that the formation of a new religion means that pre-existing religions have fault?

You don't need to answer that question because I know what you will say. You've been saying it ever since you got here.

luna

cyberpi · 10-22-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

You miss the point, cyberpi. Acts 11 explains that the term "Christian" was not used until after the Gentiles started to become converted. Verse 26 shows the term was first used in Antioch.

The terms 'gene', 'gravity', and 'electron' for example also came afterwards, but I still give God (swt) the credit for them.

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

Therefore, the term Jew or Gentile is really irrelevant when it comes to Christianity:

That was my point.

In college I learned math from a mathemetician, chemistry from a chemist, physics from a physicist, music from a musician, economics from an economist, and writing from a writer. So I am amazed to see that some do NOT think the disciples of Christ learned Christianity from a Christian, known as Jesus Christ (pbuh). I wonder if he finds it insulting that people say he was not a Christian... that he did not walk the walk that he preached... that he did not drink from the cup that was poured for him.

Faithfulservant · 10-22-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

I found a few things that were new. Make that quite a few things.

Which was my point with the quoted verses. If his disciples were Christians then everyone that has come after in history does NOT define Christianity. As you've pointed out, Jesus (pbuh) defined Christianity.

Do I anger you, or do you choose to get angry over my words? Am I at fault for what you choose to be provoked by? I find the claim that Christ was not a Christian to be provocative. I find the claim that he was a Jew instead is another eye opener. I find the claim that he was God simply defies his words as quoted in the Gospels. So should I call you or Q rude or insulting for being provocative? Nope... and I forgive you for doing so.

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yes Jesus established the steps of the church of His bride...But He is NOT His BRIDE He is the Groom...

What new things did He teach???? He came to fulfill the law He is the fullness of Righteousness which is the Law of God.

Jesus Christ cannot be your savior if He is not your Lord.

You are rude and your attitude on the Christian forum is rude... like you know something we dont know... I dont go on other faiths forums and tell them they are wrong.. if you have something insightful to share.. and we arent astounded by it... dont be shocked....there are many of you that think you know more than the Almighty God.

Dor · 10-22-2006, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

Do I anger you, or do you choose to get angry over my words? Am I at fault for what you choose to be provoked by? I find the claim that Christ was not a Christian to be provocative. I find the claim that he was a Jew instead is another eye opener. I find the claim that he was God simply defies his words as quoted in the Gospels.

Actually I find it rather hilarious that me saying he was a Jew which he was in every sense provokes you when you reject everything he is and did for mankind.

BlaznFattyz · 10-22-2006, 09:35 PM

jesus followed the law as he was a jew, but he also explained what the law really meant, and he also fulfilled the law.

cyberpi · 10-22-2006, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You are rude and your attitude on the Christian forum is rude... like you know something we dont know... I dont go on other faiths forums and tell them they are wrong.. if you have something insightful to share.. and we arent astounded by it... dont be shocked....there are many of you that think you know more than the Almighty God.

I think its a fact that I know something you do not. So if that is my attitude then it is accurate. Sorry you think that is rude. Tell me, what is the purpose of a forum if you already know everything that I do, and if I know everything that you do?

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Originally Posted by Dor

Actually I find it rather hilarious that me saying he was a Jew which he was in every sense provokes you when you reject everything he is and did for mankind.

I said that claiming Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew instead of a Christian was an eye opener. I think it was Q that claimed that. I agree fully that Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew... it is in the Gospels. A majority of his followers, the early Christians, were also Jew.

Why do you say that I reject anything that Jesus (pbuh) did for people? Do I reject anything by saying that Jesus Christ (pbuh) was a Christian who defined Christianity for people? Or does someone reject by saying that Jesus Christ (pbuh) was NOT a Christian? I do NOT think Jesus Christ (pbuh) was a hypocrite. I think he lived by his words and the words of God (swt). I think Jesus Christ (pbuh) was THE example of a Christian. Do you also find that rude and provoking?

Faithfulservant · 10-23-2006, 12:17 AM

The purpose of this forum is discussions of Christianity from the Christian point of view.. its not a free for all for anyone to come here and tell us that we are wrong. If you would like to know what we think and believe then hey... ask your questions.. or present your ideas... but once you hear our opinion of those ideas.. then thats it.. you dont have the right to continue on in attack mode...

If you dont like it then Im sure you can find somewhere else to post your superior knowledge and earthly wisdom because here its just rude and arrogant.

End of Discussion on my part.

Dor · 10-23-2006, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberpi

Why do you say that I reject anything that Jesus (pbuh) did for people? Do I reject anything by saying that Jesus Christ (pbuh) was a Christian who defined Christianity for people? Or does someone reject by saying that Jesus Christ (pbuh) was NOT a Christian?

Ok prove me wrong.....Is Jesus God? Did jesus get crucified, die and resurect 3 days later?

juantoo3 · 10-23-2006, 01:42 AM

OK, guys, this is a part I'm struggling to make sense of. Does it really make any difference who is "right" and who is "wrong" on a matter like this? I would think this is a trivial thing that has absolutely no bearing on salvation, or how any one of us will answer G-d when we stand before Him in judgement and He asks "what have you done for me?"

All of you have heartfelt beliefs. Cool. Go with it...what do you do for G-d with those beliefs? Argue with others? What purpose does that serve? Does that not fuel the very warlike prejudicial hatreds and enmity not only between faiths, but between denominations of the same faith? do we stand before G-d at the Great White Throne and say, "I argued the daylights out of all the other non-belivers, Lord!" What do we reply when He tells us, "Yeah, well, you were pretty much on target, but you missed the high notes. And that means you weren't quite as right as you thought you were in your judgement of others. Come to think of it, I seem to remember asking you not to judge others. But since you did, we've got no choice but to judge you by the same set of standards you held others to...hmmm, let's see here...look's like you insisted on perfection...and guess what, you didn't hit that mark. By your own judgement you are judged wanting...ooops, sorry...next please."

Right and wrong is important to the point that we all must have an internal guide. But the days of homogenized societies are long gone. Now we have whole nations built of multiple cultures, not so much a melting pot as a patchwork quilt, as I've heard others allude to. These multiple cultures struggle in their history to accept each other, and over time they get better at it. But the biggest obstacle to overcome is prejudicial judgement. Who cares who is right and who is wrong, G-d will sort it out. The key thing is to do *your* best to do what you understand as right, and leave the judgement to G-d.

Jesus was born and raised a Jew.

Whether He could be said to be the first Christian depends on semantics. If "Christian" equals "Christlike", then it could be argued that as the prototype model for being Christ, then I guess it could be said He is the first Christian, by definition. However, by this definition, one must of necessity exclude His followers, because they were not and are not Christs. Now, if by the term "Christian" one means "follower of Christ," then it stands to reason that those who followed Christ are Christians, but the leader is not the follower, therefore Christ in this sense cannot be called the first Christian.

It really is a dumb argument, with no relation to salvation or peaceful interaction. Why waste the effort?

cyberpi · 10-23-2006, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

The purpose of this forum is discussions of Christianity from the Christian point of view.. its not a free for all for anyone to come here and tell us that we are wrong. If you would like to know what we think and believe then hey... ask your questions.. or present your ideas... but once you hear our opinion of those ideas.. then thats it.. you dont have the right to continue on in attack mode...

If you dont like it then Im sure you can find somewhere else to post your superior knowledge and earthly wisdom because here its just rude and arrogant.

End of Discussion on my part.

Who is WE? Who is it that you think you speak for besides yourself? By your judgement then am I not a Christian? I'm sorry that you feel your beliefs are attacked... how is that possible? How does what I say hurt you? Am I persecuting you? Why does it hurt when I say that I think Jesus (pbuh) was a Christian who defined Christianity? I'm stumped... please help me understand. Why does that bother you? Why do you call that rude and arrogant?

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Originally Posted by Dor

Ok prove me wrong.....Is Jesus God? Did jesus get crucified, die and resurect 3 days later?

Who can prove a question wrong? To answer your questions, per the Gospels: No, Jesus (pbuh) is not God (swt). Yes, Jesus (pbuh) was crucifed, the body died, and was resurrected.

juantoo3 · 10-23-2006, 02:02 AM

I give up, some people just don't get it.

Lord, it's in Your hands, I tried.