ancient scribes

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by mee

so are they saying that a persons beliefs should not be mentioned? i think it seems that way



people will believe what they want to believe but dont make it known on here, is that it .?

when am i aggressive ?

How are you agressive see the first bold part of mt previous post.... You are simply on a mission it seems. (steel blindfold.)

See the second bold part for my adivce on what to do next.

You are violating copyright rules Mee, you can get in trouble for that... But more likley to be introuble is Brian... As this is his site and it is holding information that has been taken from anothers site without permision and stated here... I think like 50% or more of the watchtower sites information is now on here... Can you see how that is breaking a law and being unfair by causing a risk to Brian?

Originally Posted by Alex P

It's the 'operation steel blindfold' Thing....

Like it seems your only intent is to get other to become a JW (But that is what you are meant to do! It's a mission from god via jesus christ.) Yes but this isn't a place for picking up extra sheep, it is simply a place where you share your views from a personal account, They have warned you because all they see you doing is making many a thread with nothing but cut and pastes from the watchtower. You stated yourself you have no interest or care for other faiths brother. (that is fine with me.) But it isn't seen as how to conduct yourself on this interfaith forum. I can't fully explain and tell you what is what as I am not a mod, you will need to bring that up with mods,admins,founder of the site maybe a private message to them or a thread in feedback area to find out, as I feel we are waaay in the wrong forum at the moment here talking about something that has nothing to do with belief and spirituality... (again.)

Thats all I have to say take it easy brother.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

as I feel we are waaay in the wrong forum at the moment here talking about something that has nothing to do with belief and spirituality... (again.)

very true it was about things like ancient scribes

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by mee

so are they saying that a persons beliefs should not be mentioned? i think it seems that way



people will believe what they want to believe but dont make it known on here, is that it .?


when am i aggressive ? my focus is for the most part on what the bible teaches

I'm trying to help you. I see that instantaneous martyr complex rearing its head again, and so soon after the last time. Nobody is persecuting you. Frankly, I *am* chastising you. You've been here for years, about as long as me, I forget which of us arrived first. So I know you know how it works.

It is not at all about what you believe and think, it is how you present it.

It seems to me the only time we get a look at the *real* mee is when you think you are in deep doo. Any other time, almost without exception (the flower thread was a very nice exception, one I personally hoped to see more of), the bulk of your posts are cut and pastes of other people's work. That is plagiarizing. Cut and pastes of specific other people's work, from a faith-based site, strictly them and no other, that is pretty blatant proselytizing. You fail to give credit to the other author, writing in a manner that seems an attempt to take credit for the composition for yourself...plagiarizing. You fail to place a reference link so others can verify your source material...which again falls into copyright laws. Either/or would be fine in my opinion, cite the author or post a link, but make it openly known that you are not taking credit for material you did not write.

These are very important legal issues, ones that should the powers that be desire could cause the site to be shut down. Not to mention the aggravation factor from everybody else who is trying their level best to play by the rules we all agreed to when we signed up.

And getting in someone's face about how if they don't see things the way you do, blah blah blah...is a personal attack. That is just plain common sense.

Think of how you wish to be treated. That is the whole deal behind "do unto others." If I were to saturate the JW website or a JW meeting site with material that boiled down to: "I'm right, you're wrong; follow me and come to the truth...", I think you would have something to say about that. But you honestly don't see how others would be offended by such "look down your nose" arrogant proselytizing? I think you really would if the tables were turned.

The mods have winced and looked the other way for a long time about these things. We have told you in the past, you comply just long enough for us to get off your back and look the other way and you start up again. That's not how a true martyr for G-d acts. Besides, this isn't really a place for martyrs or prophets. This is for average joes trying to find a way to get along together. So far the only way we have figured out to get along with JW's is to ignore them...which totally defeats your purpose other than to give you a false premise to build a martyr complex on.

So, I think I've pretty well spelled out what the major grievances are. There have been so very many complaints lately we just can't afford to continue looking the other way anymore. The mods are entrusted with the whole community, not solely one individual. As a mod I have just put a great deal of individual atttention into you in the hope it will make a difference. I don't want to see you go, but only on condition that we get to see the real mee, and only the real mee.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Use these: [] [/] with url and /url. Cut and paste the website address from the address bar in between the [] and [/]. and viola! you get Jehovah's Witnesses: Watchtower Society Official Web Site. How easy is that?

Chris

[mee]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Use these: [] [/] with url and /url. Cut and paste the website address from the address bar in between the [] and [/]. and viola! you get Jehovah's Witnesses: Watchtower Society Official Web Site. How easy is that?

Chris

do you mean like i always do i just put a link up is that wrong



Have you ever wondered . . .
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that their religion is the only right one?

click on the link . why am i doing wrong i am not saying it is my words it says on the link it is from JEHOVAHS WITNESSES

[mee]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

I don't want to see you go, but only on condition that we get to see the real mee, and only the real mee.

the real mee is one of Jehovahs witnesses i am my religion maybe that is what people do not like the fact that i am bringing Jehovah to the fore. and the things in the bible .

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by mee

do you mean like i always do i just put a link up is that wrong



Have you ever wondered . . .
Do Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that their religion is the only right one?

click on the link . why am i doing wrong i am not saying it is my words it says on the link it is from JEHOVAHS WITNESSES

You do a lot of cut and paste of Watchtower Society material. All of that material is copyrighted by the Society. It's easy for anyone to google a block of text from one of your posts and trace it back to the site it came from. From what I can tell the WS doesn't want any of their material reproduced. You do have the right to fair use provided you attribute what you borrow. You and I both know that there is a veritable army of pro bono attorneys who volunteer their services to the Organization at HQ in Brooklyn and elsewhere. I thought maybe you didn't know how to do a hot link. I don't want to see you booted, that's all.

Chris

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by mee

the real mee is one of Jehovahs witnesses i am my religion maybe that is what people do not like the fact that i am bringing Jehovah to the fore. and the things in the bible .

In all brotherly love, no, you are not your religion. Nobody on G-d's earth is their religion. Your religion is your belief, your religion is not you.

What is more, you are not the only one here "bringing Jehovah to the fore." Look around, there's a whole bunch of us with the same basic idea sharing some of the very same concepts. We just see things a little differently from each other. I'm OK with that, most of us are OK with that. We've even made room for you for a long time. Nobody here is looking to convert you. By the same token, nobody here is looking to be converted, and are quite offended when you take a position to try to do that very thing.

So what is there to not like? I've already explained the repeated copyright violations. If you have to in order to get in the habit, post *both* the link and the author's name on those things you do not personally compose.

Or, in my opinion even better yet, say the same things in your own words. Exercise your own understanding of your beliefs and your religion. You really don't need to look to the corporate office everytime you have something to say, you are welcome here to speak freely by your own understanding. That is what builds a scholar. A scholar isn't someone who can quote chapter and verse of everything everybody else has written. A scholar learns from others, and then applies what they have learned to his or her own searches.

You tell me and others you have the truth. Well, then so do the rest of us. Or more truthfully, none of us have the truth, certainly not the whole truth, including you. I've already shown you at least one very significant place where your truth is not real, so if your truth is not reality is it still true?

We all struggle with things like this. I am not here to erode your faith. I am not here to erode anybody's faith. I am here searching and learning, and fellowshipping. I have no agenda, I have no corporate offices to answer to.

My witness is my life, I live my example...*that* is the real me. On the other hand the only thing the real Mee has shown us is that he or she knows how to cut and paste other peoples' work and post in such a way as to try to make themselves appear smart, or holy, or something grand. And the hint of "join with us or be doomed" is ever present.

And Mee likes flowers. What were they? Clematis? I thought to myself, this person has a human side after all. Wow, that is the person I would want to get to know. Not the person constantly preaching at me, about lessons I already learned years ago.

How about it Mee? Nobody here is asking you to abandon the Watchtower. What we are asking is that you leave it at home when you come here. Just bring yourself. You'll do just fine, you'll be OK. You are safe with us. We are your brothers and sisters, we love you just the way you are. There's just a few things we gotta put away, to protect this place where we gather. I hope you understand.

If not...we'll cross that bridge when we get there. I hope we don't have to.

[mee]

[quote=juantoo3;151094]In all brotherly love, no, you are not your religion. quote]
if i wasnt one of Jehovahs witnesses i would not even bother to make known the GOODNEWS OF THE KINGDOM MATTHEW 24;14
And i think you will find that the kingdom is my focus because the Kingdom is the theme of the bible from Genesis to revelation and the bible is the book i promote it is my way of life THATS MEE

and i would have thought on a religious site that it would be the place to speak about the bible and what the bible promises for the future .

but then maybe it is the meesage in the bible that others do not like .

[mee]

[quote=juantoo3;151094]We just see things a little differently from each other. I'm OK with that, most of us are OK with that. quote]


And mee is ok with that , everyone to what they want to believe.
i am not saying everyone is wrong i just put over what the bible teaches . how people respond to what the bible says is up to them its not mees fault if the bible says

KISS THE SON PSALM 2;12

AND THAT JEHOVAH IS THE MOST HIGH
PSALM 83;18

[mee]

Back to ancient scribes
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls proved that those scribes did good work, Jehovah made sure didnt he

[juantoo3]

See! I knew you could do it! This is the Mee we want to see!

Originally Posted by mee

if i wasnt one of Jehovahs witnesses i would not even bother to make known the GOODNEWS OF THE KINGDOM MATTHEW 24;14
And i think you will find that the kingdom is my focus because the Kingdom is the theme of the bible from Genesis to revelation and the bible is the book i promote it is my way of life THATS MEE

and i would have thought on a religious site that it would be the place to speak about the bible and what the bible promises for the future .

but then maybe it is the meesage in the bible that others do not like .

We know the Kingdom is your focus. That's not the issue that is creating the stir. Everybody here on the Christianity board, and dare I say the Judaism board too, are promoting the Bible, and it is our way of life too. We all have unique perspectives on the contents of the Bible, some of us are pretty comfortable being led, and some of us are a little more self-directed in our studies, but we all are about promoting the Bible. If not, we wouldn't spend as much time as we do with each other.

So you really gotta let go of that martyr complex, you just have to. Besides the fact its unhealthy, it really gets in the way of living a productive life. Isn't that what it's all about? What does Ecclesiastes say? How you could possibly say something like "maybe it is the meesage in the bible that others do not like" after you have been here with us for over three years...I mean, come on, you know better than that. You know from having been among us that we all reap the fruit of the message of G-d's Word. So please let go of that false martyr complex, it lies to you.

Originally Posted by mee

And mee is ok with that , everyone to what they want to believe.
i am not saying everyone is wrong i just put over what the bible teaches .

Now you confuse me, after you just got done saying "maybe it is the meesage in the bible that others do not like," now you are saying "i am not saying everyone is wrong i just put over what the bible teaches?" Either one or the other, both statements cannot be true together.

Originally Posted by mee

how people respond to what the bible says is up to them its not mees fault if the bible says

KISS THE SON PSALM 2;12

AND THAT JEHOVAH IS THE MOST HIGH
PSALM 83;18

You're right, how people respond to the Bible is up to them. It isn't your fault if they see something differently. Different can be good. There's the possibility it isn't, and we all watch for that. But different doesn't automatically mean wrong...that's a hard lesson for some people to learn. I know it was for me, I hope it is not for you.

Originally Posted by mee

Back to ancient scribes
The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls proved that those scribes did good work, Jehovah made sure didnt he

Yes, the DSS did go a ways to provide a second witness to support the Old Testament, and it also shed a lot of light on the Qumran community and gave scholars a lot of anthropological and sociological context to help them reconstruct the history of the era. BIG help!

[mee]

[quote=juantoo3;151109]


Now you confuse me, after you just got done saying "maybe it is the meesage in the bible that others do not like," now you are saying "i am not saying everyone is wrong i just put over what the bible teaches?" Either one or the other, both statements cannot be true together.

quote]
dont be confused it is true i personally am not saying others are wrong ,it is the bible itself that puts us all on the right path ,so others maybe wrong but it is not mees job to tell them ,it is the bibles job

as 2 timothy 3;16-17 tells us

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.



for a christian sepecially the bible is the aurthority.

[mee]

[quote=juantoo3;151109] But different doesn't automatically mean wrong...


quote]
well i would have to disagree with that when it comes to true worship ,because as the bible informs mee certain things are a no no in the bible and it would not be right to change what is right and what is wrong , but many religious leaders of the christian faith have changed everything around by saying good is bad and bad is good . in other words they are relying on their own wisdom and not the wisdom in the bible . and that is wrong full stop


those inspired bible writers had it right

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by mee

dont be confused it is true i personally am not saying others are wrong ,it is the bible itself that puts us all on the right path ,so others maybe wrong but it is not mees job to tell them ,it is the bibles job

as 2 timothy 3;16-17 tells us

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.



for a christian sepecially the bible is the aurthority.

I agree that the Bible is the final authority for the Christian, but I really think you are confusing interpretation for scripture. It is a common mistake.

Saw read lead. What does that mean? Precisely, that's my point.

Originally Posted by mee

well i would have to disagree with that when it comes to true worship ,because as the bible informs mee certain things are a no no in the bible and it would not be right to change what is right and what is wrong , but many religious leaders of the christian faith have changed everything around by saying good is bad and bad is good . in other words they are relying on their own wisdom and not the wisdom in the bible . and that is wrong full stop


those inspired bible writers had it right

And you are welcome to disagree, in fact I encourage it. That is why I said "different *can be* good." I also said "There's the possibility it isn't, and we all watch for that."

Those inspired writers had the benefit of a much closer connection to the source.

On the other hand; we are distanced by two thousand years, multiple languages, and a loss of cultural context. So we have to dig a little deeper to sift out the meaning.

Some of us trust the denominations and institutions to do this for us. Some of us prefer to search for ourselves. And some of us get so disgusted with the whole mess that we either give up our faith...or we put our faith into simple action and ignore the arguments that swirl around us.

You trust the JW institution, that is fine, we understand this and expect that point of view from you. That is the interpretation that works for you. Others of us find that different interpretations work for us, whether we were born into it or grew into it or sought it out deliberately. Catholism works for some of us. Pentecostalism works for some of us. Baptist works for some of us. Episcopalian works for some of us.

And I'm the lone little ol' Messianic here with an identity crisis, but it works for me. There is not a day that goes by that I don't ask for guidance from G-d. I fear falling into His hands if I am not right in His sight. I struggle with my faith daily. I am not where I am at by accident, I came to this place because this is where I was guided to.

I don't agree with many things other institutions teach, but that does not mean I love my brothers and sisters any less. If that is where they are meant to be, and they are sincere in their search, then I will leave the judging to G-d, and enjoy their company.

We are not here among thieves and brigands. We are not here conspiring to overthrow a government. We are not here for any subversive reason. We are here to commune with each other and share the blessings G-d bestows. We have all here tasted the Living Waters and found them sweet, and we all refresh ourselves with that water at every chance.

I know that includes you.

Sometimes I feel as if you do not understand these things for us. Yes, it *is* the Bible that guides us, every one of us on the Christian board, and even the Judaism board, and even a few of the curmudgeons that like to think they are no longer Christian still show the evidence of the mark the Book has made in their lives.

Let G-d be the judge. Enjoy the present company, for we don't know what tomorrow may bring. Love ya, bro!