Anger

[greymare]

oh vaj, I forgot to add, that Im obviously not a buddhist but although I react to the full gammit of emotions with anger , it also takes an awful lot to get me really angry. dealling with the public all day, get me cranky but those are the ones I can put in the "file it" category, to be released not doubt one day on an unsuspecting cranky customer... LOL., if only....

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste all,

thank you for your views.

a follow on question:

when you are angry is your anger focused on the object or person that caused the anger to arise or on the reasons that such an object or person would cause you to be angry?

metta,

~v

Both I think, like when I'm under a house installing a furnace, and I hit my head repeatedly throughout the day on the same steel beam. Yup, that stupid f$%@# beam. Like you would think that after the first time I'd duck or remember it was there but ohhhh noooo, not me, I hafta keep hitting the %$##@ thing, and the &*(). architecht that designed it that way. Sure HE never has to crawl under there what does he @^*&^ care! Gosh, give a guy a degree and he ##$%^ thinks he knows everything, but whos the @#%$ bast@#$ that has to fix it? Not Mr, I know everything so I dont have to get dirty Oh nO not him!

But, I digress...
The human mind once in the middle of an emotional hijacking has little choice but to exhaust the energy and hopefully gather themselves together. But then not everyone has the degree of emotional intelligence to recognize the onset of getting too far gone and know how to soothe themselves.



Yeah, like that stupid guy that designed that crawlspace... Stupid &8^5@# geez if I ever get my hands on that #$%^

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste all,

thank you for your views.

a follow on question:

when you are angry is your anger focused on the object or person that caused the anger to arise or on the reasons that such an object or person would cause you to be angry?

metta,

~v

The reasons. {I can usually supply a detailed list upon request}

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by greymare

oh vaj, I forgot to add, that Im obviously not a buddhist

Depends whom you ask.

[greymare]

ummm i like to eat meat, for one thing. lol

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by greymare

ummm i like to eat meat, for one thing. lol

So did the Buddha. His last meal was supposedly dodgy meat.

s.

[Dawud]

I think anger comes from a sense of injustice. Maybe it would help to see a bigger picture, to believe that everything will work out... anger can come from the injustice of being mistreated or misunderstood. Better communication.... maybe... knowing that God is the All-Knowing. God knows me perfectly, therefore, if everyone else misunderstands me, it will be okay anyway.... does that help?

[Francis king]

I find that anger is not properly understood by people- anger is often thought of as a bad thing, and something which should be controlled, or quashed, yet anger is a gift- instead of a curse... anger says... something here is wrong, something is not right, I am offended, annoyed, etc...

generally, we are sane and rational people- get angry!

I like shouting and slamming doors myself, and using cusswords... great stuff...

I do draw the line at physical violence, though- that doesn't bring any release... unlike shouting and slamming doors does!!!!

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Francis king

I find that anger is not properly understood by people- anger is often thought of as a bad thing, and something which should be controlled, or quashed, yet anger is a gift- instead of a curse... anger says... something here is wrong, something is not right, I am offended, annoyed, etc...

Then you need to kick start another emotion to just counter balance that emotion.... So now you need to question yourself....

Is something wrong? Or is it my attitude?
Should I be offended? Or am I looking for trouble?
This person is annoying me..... Should I be annoyed? Is it just?

Have to -always- question anger.

I used to like to swear, punch holes in objects/walls... Now I rise above it and offer a smile... I am better off.

[Dream]

Sometimes people see injustice everywhere and it just means we've had a little too much coffee. It can also mean we've held a negative point of view for so long that it is entrained in our thinking. We can directly compare this negative attitude with the mechanism of hallucination, because the mechanisms for each are related. We can predispose ourselves to see injustices against us.

The following quote is from an online summary of the article How hallucinations may arise from brain mechanisms of learning, attention, and volition. written by S Grossberg for the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society. This article was referenced in the Wikipedia's entry on hallucination. I didn't understand every word of the article, but I focused on the parts I've put into bold and was able to work it out that they are talking about the way the neurons in our brains which should be trained to perceive life and to learn can also be maladjusted until they impose a false reality upon the real. We desire to see something so strongly, that we perceive it to be.

Originally Posted by extract of S Grossman's article in JINS

The learned prototype is the excitatory on-center in this top-down network. Phasic volitional signals can shift the balance between excitation and inhibition to favor net excitatory activation. Such a volitionally mediated shift enables top-down expectations, in the absence of supportive bottom-up inputs, to cause conscious experiences of imagery and inner speech and thereby to enable fantasy and planning activities to occur. If these volitional signals become tonically hyperactive during a mental disorder, the top-down expectations can give rise to conscious experiences in the absence of bottom-up inputs and volition. These events are compared with data about hallucinations.

[Dream]

Correction: The book was called Change the Way You See Everything, and I've purchased it, now. Its illustrated and comes with exercises. It has no bibliography, but has biographies which fulfill the same function. A quote:

"Deficit-base thinking demagnetizes you. It sets in motion the "laws of repulsion." You move through the day trying to live life unscathed.

This makes a lot of sense, especially considering that it can be complicated to distinguish between anticipation and desire. They're really very similar. The fight or flight reaction is psychologically similar to anticipating or even desiring to respond to threats, while curiosity or interest is similar to desiring/anticipating an experience or an opportunity. If I train myself to anticipate with interest, I should theoretically be able to decrease negative perceptions. Of course, I'm just anticipating the possibility and don't really know for sure.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Dream

Correction: The book was called Change the Way You See Everything, and I've purchased it, now. Its illustrated and comes with exercises. It has no bibliography, but has biographies which fulfill the same function. A quote:

This makes a lot of sense, especially considering that it can be complicated to distinguish between anticipation and desire. They're really very similar. The fight or flight reaction is psychologically similar to anticipating or even desiring to respond to threats, while curiosity or interest is similar to desiring/anticipating an experience or an opportunity. If I train myself to anticipate with interest, I should theoretically be able to decrease negative perceptions. Of course, I'm just anticipating the possibility and don't really know for sure.

Sounds like it might be helpful with dealing with PMS.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Sounds like it might be helpful with dealing with PMS.

PMS is over rated....

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste all,

i'll offer my own views on this in a few posts though i'd like to hear others views before then.

primarily i'm interested in hearing how you deal with anger when it arises, the methods, steps, techniques and so forth which you use to cool the flames.

it doesn't have to be particularly Buddhist

metta,

~v

remove the predeterminations.

such that anger is almost like laughter; a reaction to an unexpected observance.

In anger, one wants a specific reply action; predetermined.

Such that a joke often has a punch line that is unexpected.

The goal is to remove the self of need to a specific outcome.

in trying to remove anger, seek the knowledge of what occurred.

Or simply remove the self as the priority of the event experienced.

Or remember the rules; if the intent or 'desire' is 'good' it supports life.

if the need or desire is a loss to the common, then the suffering is self inflicted.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Francis king

I find that anger is not properly understood by people- anger is often thought of as a bad thing, and something which should be controlled, or quashed, yet anger is a gift- instead of a curse... anger says... something here is wrong, something is not right, I am offended, annoyed, etc...
generally, we are sane and rational people- get angry!

Francis,

http://www.comparative-religion.com/...ding-9033.html

: here you recommend reading the texts.

What does the Buddha say about anger in the texts? :

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