Are there any feminists in this forum ??

[China Cat Sunflower]

I just wanted to say, re. feminism, that I have two daughters ages almost nine and seven. I find that I'm nearly alone in pondering the worth of the princess meme in the predominate girl culture (as envisioned by the mommie corps). I think that feminism is losing ground in western culture.

Chris

[Avi]

Chris, I would say you have about five years before your daughters will argue into oblivion for a comment like that one . (And guess whose side their mother will take ?).

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

What do you make of the study I cited in connection with the 'Obamacare' discussion showing that people much prefer Medicare over private coverage?

Which people, exactly, were polled? I've used Medicare, and I've used private insurance. There are good and bad points to both. Medicare patients typically tend to get minimal care because the treating facility will only be reimbursed a percentage of normal routine costs. Private insurance can be a bitch if you are facing a life threatening disease like cancer and the payors drag their feet in coming up with the monies for treatment until too late.

Frankly, I fail to see how Obamacare could possibly be any improvement, we already have rationing of care even with private insurance (unless you are independently wealthy). The part that scares me out of Obamacare is the Governmental demand for immediate access to my bank account for payment of said healthcare. No thanks, I am plenty capable of screwing up my bank account all on my little lonesome, thank you.

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

Do people below the poverty line pay taxes?

Yep, they sure do.

They just tend to get most of it back as a refund check around mid February.


As the saying goes; there's lies, damnable lies, and statistics.

[China Cat Sunflower]

Libertarianism is for saps. At least the righties are nakedly greedy. We evolved government so each citizen wouldn't have to save up asphalt for a street paving party. It's more efficient that way.

Chris

[Avi]

Err, Chris, first the feminist crack, now the libertarian one. Do you realize that all the feminists on this thread are all libertarians ?

Now you are in double doggy doo, buddy.

By the way, any thoughts about oxymorons ?? And how many guns do you have (any bazookas ?) !!

[Avi]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

As the saying goes; there's lies, damnable lies, and this thread .

Right Juan, Chris already drew our attention to a couple of small problems with this thread !!

Now, you on the other hand are pretty cool , you are obviously a libertarian feminist, like the rest of us (right wing, left wing, who cares, feminism transcends that, and after all we all have our guns).

Any thoughts about the Constitutional Amendments ?

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I think that feminism is losing ground in western culture.

Maybe, but they're not going down without a fight. They are out to castrate, emasculate and eviscerate anything and everything male oriented; or die trying.

Notice how the television "dads" went from "Father Knows Best" and Ward Cleaver when men were men and had their sh!t together, until 30 years later and Home "Improvement" and Homer Simpson and dads were all bumbling idiots who would be lost without their perfect in every way wives or wiser than their youthful age teenage daughters?

Doesn't anybody see two ends of a pendulum swing here?

My Gawd, not all men are Homer Simpson and not all women are Jill Taylor. The more we need to denigrate men in order to grant self esteem to women the more we continue to promote discrimination as an inadvertant by-product. It is promoting an unhealthy gender role model for males.

And what does that say about *any* person that can only gain self esteem by denigrating others??? (hint: think shallow, superficial, temporary)

Maybe its high time for a nationwide syndicated cartoon series about a bumbling idiot woman and her antics and escapades? *That* would be "equal." It would also be castigated for being prejudicial and discriminatory (as it should be).

Feminism is about being equal when there is advantage to being so, but when the reality hits home there is little interest in equality, it is about denigrating and demoting men.

[China Cat Sunflower]

I'm nothing.

Libertarianism is another non-ism label-ism. We ran into this recently talking about existentialism. There are any number of perspectives toward which "libertarian" could be applied as a descriptive. Libertarian anarchism is a certain sort of "bent" toward anarchism, for example. Noam Chomsky could be described thus.

cHRIS

[Avi]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Libertarianism is another non-ism label-ism.

Wow, there is actually a fresh idea !!

Is libertarianism actually anything at all ??

If not, how could we have spend the last 20 pages discussing it ??

Is it just an artificial construct ?? Is it a meaningless label ? It seems to apply to all women. Is it like "beautiful" ?

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Avi

Now, you on the other hand are pretty cool , you are obviously a libertarian feminist, like the rest of us (right wing, left wing, who cares, feminism transcends that, and after all we all have our guns).

Any thoughts about the Constitutional Amendments ?

I learned long ago to keep a sharp eye out on anybody who opens a dialog with a compliment.

Especially when it is followed by a clear misunderstanding.

Gun control is being able to hit the target, preferably dead center.

And how many guns is NOYB.

[Avi]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

I learned long ago to keep a sharp eye out on anybody who opens a dialog with a compliment.

Welcome back to you too, Juan !!

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Avi

Is libertarianism actually anything at all ??

If not, how could we have spend the last 20 pages discussing it ??

Umm, just a thought; but maybe because a few somebodys were bored and had nothing better to do with their pitiful lives?

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by Avi

Welcome back to you too, Juan !!

Anytime! Good to see you around here too.

[China Cat Sunflower]

You know... Jesus loves guns. He died to save guns. It says so in the Bibloconstimagnacartvida. Doesn't it?

Chris

[Netti-Netti]

Greetings,

Originally Posted by juantoo3

Which people, exactly, were polled?

A random sample of 3,457.

....based on data gathered by Princeton Survey Research Associates from April through July 2001. Interviews were conducted with a random national sample of 3,457 adults age 19 and older.

In their report, Davis and coauthors find that elderly Medicare beneficiaries are more likely than enrollees in employer-sponsored plans to rate their health insurance as excellent (32% vs. 20%) and less likely to report negative experiences with their insurance plans (43% vs. 61%). Medicare beneficiaries are also less likely than those with private insurance to go without needed care owing to costs (18% vs. 22%). The survey also finds that elderly Medicare beneficiaries are more likely to report being very satisfied with the care they received compared with those with private insurance (62% vs. 51%).

As the chart below illustrates, private insurance holders are actually less satisfied with health care and more concerned about costs than Medicare beneficiaries. The fact that Medicare was systematically more likely than employer coverage to be rated as excellent across income and health status categories challenges the received wisdom that Medicare is "out of date," and should "catch up" with the private insurance model. "