Autism and Vaccines

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

none of which is an objection to my point about the science.

b'shalom

bananabrain

Well I'm just a mere mortal who reads the science stories daily. I read everything that comes out related to autism, amongst others. What I do know is your paediatrician friend does not have a clue what causes autism. If he thinks it has nothing to do with, or dismisses environmental poisoning when this spike has occurred in western nations in recent decades he would be a fool.

[wil]

Originally Posted by bananabrain

inone of which is an objection to my point about the science.

Namaste BB,

Twas you BB that said what a crock, that these folks were out to make money. Well the vaccine crowd is out to make millions, our doctor friends are out to maintain their lifestyles...and they are all making more money than the medical whistleblowers.

I didn't say being a Kennedy made him worthy of listening to, but it surely seperates him from those folks out to make a buck on the deal!

In this day and age if you are going to immunize millions on your drug you tested on a few hundred to prove efficable and then not set up a website for doctors to record results.. in my mind there is no science being done. It is all about money.

Speaking of your pediatrician friend and doctors in general...anyone who decides to actually read and investigate any of them that decide to go holistic or the way of the naturopath have my hat off to them... Because along the way they have to discover something very tough and disconcerting, that their cult allegiance to the medical establishment drinking the koolaid and force feeding the pablum onto the unsuspecting public their patients. In the end they have to admit they did not follow the hypocratic oath, they did do harm, they did injur and in many cases shorten lives.

I'm not saying all alopathic medicine is bad, but I am saying that not looking with scrutiny at our slash, burn and poison methods is a huge mistake.

[shawn]

I was listening to the radio at work today and an issue that came up was the amount of money spent in Alberta on medicine.
This is gov't money, not private funds mind you, in any case the figure was 30 million per day (population is 3.6 million and not everyone is sick).
Huge sum of money considering the population and this does not include what people spend for meds and other therapies.
I agree with wil, the snake oil salesmen have taken over and medicine is now all about the money, with a token nod to helping hurting people.
(And yes, I know, there are some good doctors out there who really do care, it is the whole scheme/system of organized medicine which is problematic IMO).

[wil]

Namaste Shawn,

That's $8.34 per day in pharmaceuticals (and ancilary expenses)....incredible.

[Faithfulservant]

3 weeks ago my 6 yo son developed a fever.. it stayed between 99-102 degrees with complaints of a sore throat. After a week we took him to his pediatrician who checked his throat and said he had a throat infection as as a result of some virus. He prescribed a cough and cold medicine and amoxicillan for the infecton if the fever hadnt broke in 2 days. We started the antibiotic because his fever was spiking at 103 and wouldnt go down with tylenol or ibuprofin.

7 days later (last night) he develops a rash that looks like a heat rash under his armpits so I dont think anything of it.. its hot here in Texas. This morning he wakes up with a horrible looking rash from head to toe. It really looks evil... he even has it on his palms and bottoms of his feet... inside of his ears! So I start doing some research because I believe we have to.. that we cant just trust these people. Well I put two and two together.. My daughter had mono last March with all the same symptoms sore throat and fever that lasted over a week. When she had that I researched it and read that you do not give amoxicillan to people with mono because of the rash that they get.

So I take my son into the pediatrician again today and told them to test him for mono and they doubted he could have that but did the test anyways and guess what,... my son has mono. So yeah Im a little pissed and a lot relieved. If I wouldnt have said something about the mono they would have labeled him as allergic to penicillan which is a pain in the butt.

Thats my little story about medicine in America.

[greymare]

wow, you must be so worried. I would have thought about meningecocull.(sp?) I hope a speedy recovery.

[Faithfulservant]

my faiths being tested alot these days.. lol but the bible says not to worry because it only causes harm...

thats my mantra these days...

dont worry it only causes harm.

[nativeastral]

yeh don't worry worry lest worry worries you.
whats mono? Antibiotics ['anti life'] shouldn't be given to viruses, only bacterial infections; here they've wisened up to not continually prescribe them as they lose efficacy [yogurt is good for replacing the 'good' bacteria thats been wiped out].
My daughter had a similar experience; went to doctor who even mentioned glandular fever yet prescribed penicillin; l get a call when l am elsewhere from her saying she has a rash all over and her lips had swollen up so much she was real worried so l told her to phone an ambulance to go to the emergency hospital; the doctor there said she shouldn't have gotten the antibiotic in the first place.
We have placed so much faith in allopathic medicine and doctors who have relied on the pharmaceutical industry for so long it seems they are running the show, all we want is a pill! Ironically l have been trying to get a dose of penicillin [as l hardly ever get/take it would be beneficial] yet the doctor is unwilling to give me!

[shawn]

We have placed so much faith in allopathic medicine and doctors who have relied on the pharmaceutical industry for so long it seems they are running the show, all we want is a pill!

It seems like that is the way it is with most people on most topics/themes.
Most people are too lazy or too busy to attend to the important aspects of life.
Overspecialization and faith in the "specialists".
Some people are so bad this way that if you don't have a degree of some sort they won't even consider anything you may say as you are not qualified (in their eyes) therefore your opinion doesn't count.

[Dream]

You really do have to watch your own back, and therein lies an indicator that we might give too much authority to socialist powers. They screw us eventually. The FDA can not really insure safe medicine, so lets admit it officially and drop the pretense of government perfection, wherein the abuse of power lies.

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

dont worry it only causes harm.

Too true, and hope your son is getting better.

Here in the UK, I've kind of given up on doctors and kids. The bottom line with babies and young children seems to be: if they aren't limp, and are still breathing, then it's probably nothing.

[Faithfulservant]

the doctor didnt know my son had mono when he prescribed the amoxicillan he prescribed it because my son had a bad infection in his throat that wasnt strep. There is no way they would have known he had mono if I hadnt told them to test for it so it would have been this huge ordeal that probably would have ended up traumatizing my 6 yo one way or another.

Dont get me wrong though I believe antibiotics and antivirals have their uses.. last fall my son had a very bad case of pnemonia that had been caused by a staph bacteria.. he was very sick and without the meds he would probably have died so there is good with the bad.

[shawn]

A large % of the therapies used in allopathic medicine have never been subject to scientific testing standards, but have been "grandfathered in" under FDA regulations.
With the same breath, however, they then refuse health food and vitamin companies from claiming therapeutic benefits from the use of many supplements, herbs, homeopathics, vitamins and minerals, even though some have been used in treating conditions for thousands of years.
It appears that they protect with one hand (the very expensive and profitable allopathic market) and taketh away with the other (the very affordable/unpatentable holistic market).

Why don't they be reasonable and allow something like:
"though this product has never been subject to modern standards of efficacy, it has been used for many years in the treatment of...."

[wil]

gr8 job FS!!!

[Francis king]

Japanese studies have found a potential causal link between children receiving vaccines and later development of autism...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cliffor...ed_to_Vaccines

the above link mentioned a paper published in 2005...