Babylometer

[17th Angel]

The young bull would have the fitness and peak to run down and "screw um all." The old bull wouldn't :\ I'd be suprised if the old bull could put all his weight on his hind legs... HAR! I'd give the old bull a hip replacement a nice comfy chair in an old bull home and a blanket.... That is his fate :|

[Muslimwoman]

My babylometer is broken, so I am just a lost soul with no purpose in life. When you add to the brokeness of my babylometer the fact that I live in Africa, it gives great cause for concern.

I am going to have a lie down, the stress is just too much for me. How shall I cope without my babylometer?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

My babylometer is broken, so I am just a lost soul with no purpose in life. When you add to the brokeness of my babylometer the fact that I live in Africa, it gives great cause for concern.

I am going to have a lie down, the stress is just too much for me. How shall I cope without my babylometer?

In many parts of Africa one can thrive without the constraints of a babylometer. As a matter of fact a babylometer in some areas is rendered useless as others are not utilizing them. The control is completely on of concensus once the majority in an area conform the rest must follow or be handicapped without it.

I don't know exactly where in North Africa you live but it largely has to do I believe with industry and density...the more unnatural man made goings on, the more the man made babylometer is required. Those living with the land, in alignment with nature have no need...

My original question relates to how do we do both, is there a way to live with the benefits of the 21st century Babylon but without the overbearing constraints of time?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by wil

I don't know exactly where in North Africa you live but it largely has to do I believe with industry and density...the more unnatural man made goings on, the more the man made babylometer is required. Those living with the land, in alignment with nature have no need...

Don't try to talk me out of needing my babylometer, I need it, I want it, I cannot exist without it !!!!

Originally Posted by wil

My original question relates to how do we do both, is there a way to live with the benefits of the 21st century Babylon but without the overbearing constraints of time?

The simple answer is surely no, just look at modern communism, is that not supposed to be the Babylon system with 21st century benefits. Self is given over to whole, on paper a brilliant system but in reality unworkable (hence the rich and powerful communist elite - capitalism wearing a red hat).

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Don't try to talk me out of needing my babylometer, I need it, I want it, I cannot exist without it !!!!



The simple answer is surely no, just look at modern communism, is that not supposed to be the Babylon system with 21st century benefits. Self is given over to whole, on paper a brilliant system but in reality unworkable (hence the rich and powerful communist elite - capitalism wearing a red hat).

Yes we can't live without it...I love metaphor and the metaphor of the inner mechanical workings each cog waiting for the next the swing of the pendulum relying on each and everything relying on the pendulum and us being all wound up...

I have issues in that I hate being late, and I dislike others who make us all wait when they are late. But this is what I wish to separate myself from, from the need of planning, committing to being someplace at a given time, from asking others to commit to being on time. The loss is efficiency, our need to be on time all at one place so something can be accomplished so we can move onto the next...

Or does it? Or is this also a man made construct that we can now circumvent. You do your thing, I'll do mine, we have mail, email, leave the product, call me on the phone...can we handle it all without the fuss?

Can we make our encounters meaningful personally rather than so businesslike? I'll see you when you get here...and enjoy it then.

Has there been a generation that didn't wish for the simplicity of the last and the speed of the future?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by wil

Has there been a generation that didn't wish for the simplicity of the last and the speed of the future?

Guilty as charged. I used to be a total control freak, then 2 years ago I put my watch in its box and only wear it now when travelling (flights tend not to wait for me I have noticed). It is so liberating Wil, try it one weekend, take off your watch and hide your clocks, it makes life so much more pleasant. The only difficulty is when you do need to know the time you have to remember where you hid the clock.

However, when I log on and I don't get instant access the frustration is amazing. I want it now, give me access this second, no I can't wait another 30 seconds. What the hell is that about? Does my life or the life of anyone I love depend on whether a site uploads quickly enough? Will the world end if I don't type out my daily babble until tomorrow? I don't think so.

So still work to do on myself.

Oh interesting article a British paper this weekend. They did a survey about which era people wanted to live in and the majority said the 50's because life was so much simpler then. They want the community policeman to rap our kids round the ear when they chuck stones at cars, they want old fashioned shops and customer service, etc but they also want their mobile phone and internet access.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Guilty as charged. I used to be a total control freak, then 2 years ago I put my watch in its box and only wear it now when travelling (flights tend not to wait for me I have noticed). It is so liberating Wil, try it one weekend, take off your watch and hide your clocks, it makes life so much more pleasant. The only difficulty is when you do need to know the time you have to remember where you hid the clock.

Oh, I quit wearing a watch years ago...er...they put them in my cell phone. I quit using the alarm clock almost a decade ago...although I still have to be at work at a 8 am. And up before 6 to insure my kids get on their bus by 6:35.

So I in trying to break from the babylometer feel like I've got a Shabbat goy, I set down my use and rely on others...it isn't the same.

Now when I get to spend a week or weekend away in the woods where the needs of nature and the sun rules...where there are no meetings, bus schedules, plane flights...where you hug as you cross paths and indicate we'll see you later....where folks wander in and out of camp without timetables....that is a joy.

So like I said...my only way of making it work as I see it is creating income streams that passively fill my bank account.... conquer babylon so I may leave it.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by wil

And up before 6 to insure my kids get on their bus by 6:35.

6:35 Isn't that cruelty to children lol? Where do they go to school, in Australia?

Originally Posted by wil

So like I said...my only way of making it work as I see it is creating income streams that passively fill my bank account.... conquer babylon so I may leave it.

I wish you the very best of luck with that one, truely I hope you achieve it and wouldn't that be amazing for your kids (they could sleep in for a start).

Isn't it insane, we all seem to want the simple life while battling so hard to achieve the fast paced complicated life. Hee, hee there is human logic for you.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

6:35 Isn't that cruelty to children lol? Where do they go to school, in Australia?



I wish you the very best of luck with that one, truely I hope you achieve it and wouldn't that be amazing for your kids (they could sleep in for a start).

Isn't it insane, we all seem to want the simple life while battling so hard to achieve the fast paced complicated life. Hee, hee there is human logic for you.

ah the dictates of Babylon...60% of our budget goes to the offensive department...a pittance to education...so limited bus service for public schools means pick up and deliver 9-12, then go get k-5, then go get 6-8...so to make it all happen the 14-18 year olds go to school between the hours of 7 am and 2 pm.... wonder what they'll do at home alone between 2 and 6 pm when their parents return from work

Oh are you kidding me, if I make a fortune I won't give it to my children! I will teach them how it is done though!

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by wil

ah the dictates of Babylon...60% of our budget goes to the offensive department...a pittance to education...so limited bus service for public schools

Now come on Wil, someone has to pay for the bombs so why shouldn't the kids learn at such a tender age the reality of paying for useless wars It makes you want to scream with frustration, doesn't it. Why educate children when you can go to another country and kill some? Aaaaaggggghhhhhh

Last week I heard on the local news about a young boy that had been accepted to a Catholic school but the local government refused to allow him free travel on the bus to school because he and one parent are not baptised. Explain that one to me if you can, the church is happy to accept this child but the government are so desperate to save a whole £3.70 per week (I think about $9), that they will actually use religion to do it.

I think the planet needs lithium, it is in a bad way bless it's little heart.

Originally Posted by wil

Oh are you kidding me, if I make a fortune I won't give it to my children! I will teach them how it is done though!

I wasn't suggesting you give them the money. Wealth is wasted on the young they have nose jobs and buy ipods lol. I meant that you would have more time to spend with your kids, up in the woods or teaching them how to live well in their society.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Now come on Wil, someone has to pay for the bombs

I wasn't suggesting you give them the money. Wealth is wasted on the young they have nose jobs and buy ipods lol. I meant that you would have more time to spend with your kids, up in the woods or teaching them how to live well in their society.

Oh yeah, my goal before it is too late is to be home after two so I'll be able to insure my kids don't get in too much trouble (ie just enough trouble, but not too much!)

And all our bombs are already bought and paid for. Why do you think we war today? It isn't to acquire land...PC wars don't allow Americans to rape, pillage, plunder and enlsave anymore...so we mostly have war to use up old munitions, armament, and machinery so we can have a reason to build bigger and better...

time is on my side...yes it is

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by wil

Oh yeah, my goal before it is too late is to be home after two so I'll be able to insure my kids don't get in too much trouble (ie just enough trouble, but not too much!)

Have you bought the blindfolds, handcuffs and ear muffs in preparation? I believe that is the only to keep our kids out of trouble these days. Oh I am such a cynic now

Originally Posted by wil

PC wars don't allow Americans to rape, pillage, plunder and enlsave anymore...

Sorry but not completely convinced the people of Iraq would agree with you at the moment.

I watched that film/documentary by Michael Moore, Farenheit 9/11 last week. I was dumbstruck and that takes some doing. If even 50% of it is true then there seems little hope for the future of the world and my dreams of world peace. Is it true Bush didn't even win the election?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Sorry but not completely convinced the people of Iraq would agree with you at the moment.

I watched that film/documentary by Michael Moore, Farenheit 9/11 last week. I was dumbstruck and that takes some doing. If even 50% of it is true then there seems little hope for the future of the world and my dreams of world peace. Is it true Bush didn't even win the election?

Yes, I agree on the Iraq situation...I marched in DC with my brothers and sisters who wish to see Peace in this world. While this march had a lower turnout then many, it had a higher percentage of youth/college age kids. The marches in the 60's and 70's were mostly under 30, the marches the past few years I'd say average age was over 50. Seeing the number of Veterans, Active Duty Military, Grandparents, Kids in strollers at the marches today is really refreshing, however the lack of college age was disconcerting...it is good to see them starting to take part.

Michael Moore doesn't do documentaries, he does quite biased, highly edited political pieces, someday he may become a film maker and do some good, currently he creates more apathetic people.

There is hope, but it needs to start by educating our young...and consistently preaching the peace that is found in our religions and not the hate that is distilled out of the texts.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by wil

There is hope, but it needs to start by educating our young...and consistently preaching the peace that is found in our religions and not the hate that is distilled out of the texts.

Amen to that.

I shall put my soap box next to yours (how many languages can we cover between us, I can manage 3 at a push ).

The young are gripped by modern day 'instant desire fulfilment' and silly political ideals but they will grow and insh'allah in 20 years time they will be typing the same things we are today, as they begin to see the folly of thier youthful ideas.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

I shall put my soap box next to yours (how many languages can we cover between us, I can manage 3 at a push ).

hehe...lol...I speak American, which means I'll be adding no additional lingo to your repertoire!