Baha'i Faith & Freemasonry...

[Popeyesays]

PM.

I never thought you were calling Baha`u'llah a liar. I just wanted to correct a misunderstanding of the nature of the Faith. It's an easy misunderstanding to suffer.

As to remaining an atheist, well, I figure you have to be true to yourself, and I believe you have long since lost the opportunity to be an atheistt. You've answered too many questions for yourself. I have nothing but praise for your dedication to "independent investigation of the truth."

Regards,
Scott

[lunamoth]

Hey Scott, that must be your new book cover! Cool.

luna

[Seeker_of_truth]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

A true Prophet always honors those Who came before Him and praises He Who shall follow.

But Christ and Mohammad don't mention either Zoroaster, Krishna, or Buddha.

[Seeker_of_truth]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

The freemasons were renowned for there architectural buildings, the conspiracy theories surrounding the freemasons has to do with there buildings in WashingtonDC. One building in particular looks very similar to that in the Baha'i world centre and the Shire of the Bab looks like it got an inspiration from another. As for evidence, can't say I have any just a conspiracy that I can't say I believe.

I will see if I can establish a link between Manichaeism and the Baha'i faith. There was something like 500 - 800 years or so that separate Manis royal family to that of Bahá'u'lláhs. I wonder if Bahá'u'lláh had access to information and resource regarding Manichaeism that not many at the time would have had due to his heretiage gains. Also non of us are yet to prove its not the same blood line but I admitt thats unlikely.

Even if Baha'u'llah had ever heard about Mani he didn't directly influence how the architecture would be like, he didn't lay down blueprints of how buildings should be built, he layed down blueprints for the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Seeker_of_truth

But Christ and Mohammad don't mention either Zoroaster, Krishna, or Buddha.

Buddha and Krshna, no. Zoroaster, however is mentined in the Qur'an--or rather His followers are acknowledged as "People of the Book".

Regards,
Scott

[Postmaster]

Originally Posted by Seeker_of_truth

Even if Baha'u'llah had ever heard about Mani he didn't directly influence how the architecture would be like, he didn't lay down blueprints of how buildings should be built, he layed down blueprints for the Kingdom of Heaven on earth.

You have me mistaken I was showing that some buildings in the Baha'i world centre are similar to some in Washington DC that were built by the freemasons. I make no accusation with that.

[Postmaster]

This might be of help

The primary Bahá'í writings make no mention of Manichaeism. However, two articles have considered the role and person of its founder, Mání, and the relation of the religion to the Bahá'í Faith. The most complete Bahá'í analysis of Manichaeism is Daniel Keith Conner's "Mani and Manichaeism: A Study in Religious Failure," in World Order, 11.2 (Winter 1976-77). Christopher Buck has also briefly discussed Mání, whom he considers the first figure in history to have consciously pursued the role of world-prophet, in "A Unique Eschatological Interface: Bahá'u'lláh and Cross-Cultural Messianism," in Peter Smith, ed., Studies in Bábí and Bahá'í History, volume 3.

Mani had extraordinary foresight, originality and laid some foundations for later prophets. His reason for failer can only be he was too ahead of his time.

[arthra]

A provisional translation into English is available of the Tablet to the Zoroastrians by Abdul-Baha:

Tablet on Zoroaster

It is quite beautiful.

- Art

[Seeker_of_truth]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

You have me mistaken I was showing that some buildings in the Baha'i world centre are similar to some in Washington DC that were built by the freemasons. I make no accusation with that.

If you would like me to find buildings that look like they could be inspired or ripped off from other buildings I would be more than happy to.
Also, so what if they the architects of the buildings got the idea from the DC buildings? many of the architects that weren't even Baha'i.

[Postmaster]

I thought I'd explore and share a possible connection between Baha'is and freemasons because of the subject of this thread thats all.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

I thought I'd explore and share a possible connection between Baha'is and freemasons because of the subject of this thread thats all.

Philosophically the best features of Masonry reflect many of the religious principles and teachings of the Baha`i Faith. That's no coincidence. The Baha`i Faith teaches very high moral conduct--so did Islam and Christianity.

Any high-minded fellowship is going to reflect many of those same principloes and teachings.

That they are similar in that regard, does not, however, indicate a causal relationship between Freemasonry and Baha`u'llah.

As Abdu'l Baha points out, a person who exemplifies the best aspects of filial love for humanity and works to unite mankind is a Baha`i whether they have ever heard the name of Baha`u'llah or not.

Freemasonry does not go quite far enough along those principles because the existence of a 'secret society' is division of mankind into members and non-members, that's strictly against Baha`i principles.

Regards,
Scott

[Postmaster]

How did they

Philosophically the best features of Masonry reflect many of the religious principles and teachings of the Baha`i Faith.

If they didn't have a prophet of God to show them the way?

I've gone as far before to say that no prophet has ever been responsible for souly just giving a word from God. That they are nothing but mystical theologians.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

How did they



If they didn't have a prophet of God to show them the way?

I've gone as far before to say that no prophet has ever been responsible for souly just giving a word from God. That they are nothing but mystical theologians.

But most them DID have a prophet of God to show them the way:

Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad.

Regards,
Scott

[Postmaster]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

But most them DID have a prophet of God to show them the way:

Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad.

Regards,
Scott

And those prophets made no mention of all religions in the world coming from one source. The only prophet would have been Mani. The freemasons have no specific founder of there organization, although some scholars can trace the freemasons back to the ancient times to the building of King Solomon’s temple, which would be before Mani. If the idea of all religions coming from the same source can appear out of thin air, it shows that humans in general are pretty weak minded in recognising this virtue more commonly, or they wern't ready yet or it's an illusion.

[Postmaster]

Maybe the founding of the Baha'i faith through the line of abrahamic religions now means the world is ready for this virtue and not just to a select few, which to me establishes Bahá'u'lláh as one of God's manifestations like before but also shows all of Gods prophets as mere human theologians intune with mysticism.