Beliefs About Poverty?

[Servetus]

Originally Posted by radarmark

My third and favorite moral compass (had a bumper sticker made up of it):
"Live your life that the fear of death can never enter your heart.
Trouble no one about his religion.
Respect others in their views and demand that they respect yours.
Love your life, perfect your life, beautify all things in your life.
Seek to make your life long and of service to your people.
Prepare a noble death song for the day when you go over the great divide.
Always give a word or sign of salute when meeting or passing a friend,
or even a stranger, if in a lonely place.
Show respect to all people, but grovel to none.
When you rise in the morning, give thanks for the light,
for your life, for your strength.
Give thanks for your food and for the joy of living.
If you see no reason to give thanks, the fault lies in yourself.
Abuse no one and no thing, for abuse turns the wise ones to fools
and robs the spirit of its vision.
When your time comes to die,
be not like those whose hearts are filled with fear of death,
so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time
to live their lives over again in a different way.
Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home." -- Panther Across the Sky (makes me smile)

It is a superb moral compass, but, except for the notorious traffic jams in LA (during which stalled passengers have time to read), it is a generally bad bumper sticker .

Serv

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Originally Posted by Persona

There are almost 1 Billion people chronically hungry.
Tens of thousands die every day of preventable causes - like tuberculosis, malaria, AIDS & diseases like respiratory illness & diarrhea that prey on bodies that have suffered chronic hunger.

I don't consider that "advanced."
Yes, there's potential, but it's not realized in many cases.

ever graphed out where the wealth is in the world, and where the evilest conditions exist? it's an interesting distribution.....

obviously it would be very very difficult for me too acquire enough data to support my position, but even my untrained eye sees a pattern.....

and to direct your eye a bit - look at the diametrically opposed patterns of wealth distribution - globally speaking...

my theory is this:
There is something akin to a standard amount of workable energy for each individual on the planet, added to the "soup" of condensed energy of those who are here, when the new individual arrives. which gives us an "average charge" which seems to be "overloading" The Mother's internal electrical system ( including the play of energies on her surface..) due to overpopulation...
She - as an individual with automatic defenses, just like us, - is reacting to the problem.... energy patterns are moving to compensate... it is "fixing" itself...

But for now - and ever since people have been gathering together in large groups, we are directly responsible for the "coagulation" of energies.... for every concentration of qualities you will find in a group of people, there is another group "holding the line" in the other direction.....

The United States has such prosperity, with such little effort to share it, that there is an EQUAL amount of NEED that must enter the world to balance it......
The same goes with everyday conditions everywhere else....

The Mother has a signature vibration dependent upon where she rests in space and what influences she is under from bodies in this and other spheres...
We - as a group (human beings) must match that vibration to remain...
If we start knocking things off kilter ( duh - too late now.... ) processes are initiated (triggered even, because they are irreversible ) and chaos will result until an equilibrium is found again...
Like the action of an antibody - change is aimed at affecting us...... because the mother will never die, until her day is due...
She is not having a climate crisis - It is our comfortable zone that is threatened

The cure is to knowingly and consciously move energy to places in the world where it would work to balance things.... such as they did with the Ancient Holy Places all over the globe.... ( and the didn't have even close to the problem we have before they noticed it - and worked to fix it... a little too late... )

People starve because folks hoard more than they need.
People are oppressed because folks have greed which outweighs their respect.
People are disposable in places, because folks waste lifetimes in others....

We are directly responsible for the horrors we witness - we choose our world based on where we put our attention.....
because who could possibly ignore - if they had half a heart - the grieving face of that child on that tv commercial?

but the very next minute - we are thinking of going to Mc Donalds.....
so she goes hungry.....

There are no easy solutions.... each and every one that would accomplish what this thread is about, would require the world to act as one, in a determined fashion....
Europe was working towards that... been watching? how have you reacted?
We will have what folks feel is right.... as a consensus - with a history of decisions made, which still weigh in the equation....
as it is, there is no consensus possible - so chaos reigns.... and we all get wet..... especially that poor lil girl with no home, parents, or rice for this evening.....

[Sam Albion]

actually, yes, Persona -- we do have to try to believe it's possible. I forget that. Thank you for reminding me.

I'm gonna borrow Brother Michaels' "half full glass".... you don't mind, I hope.

[Persona]

Originally Posted by Servetus

It is a superb moral compass, but, except for the notorious traffic jams in LA (during which stalled passengers have time to read), it is a generally bad bumper sticker .

Serv

LOL
Everytime I go to So.CA, I think of Brilliant's quote, "This place used to be beautiful, before everyone came to enjoy its beauty."

[Persona]

Originally Posted by BrotherMichaelSky

.... for every concentration of qualities you will find in a group of people, there is another group "holding the line" in the other direction.....

The United States has such prosperity, with such little effort to share it, that there is an EQUAL amount of NEED that must enter the world to balance it......
The same goes with everyday conditions everywhere else....

The cure is to knowingly and consciously move energy to places in the world where it would work to balance things.... such as they did with the Ancient Holy Places all over the globe....

Lunitik & I were discussing this idea of balance, which I'm still trying to understand.
Regarding the extremes of prosperity & poverty, my guess is that wholeness and balance would mean more of a moderation. To some, it might seem like socialism, but basically, it would be giving people & their resources the respect due (& compensating for previous disrespect). Many don't realize how often US corporations & customers have benefited from other country's resources, to the neglect & suffering of those exploited.

I realize my own hand in this & it's humbling.
It puts things in perspective & makes me more motivated to help make up for any suffering I've contributed to, even if it was ignor-antly.

We are directly responsible for the horrors we witness - we choose our world based on where we put our attention.....
because who could possibly ignore - if they had half a heart - the grieving face of that child on that tv commercial?

but the very next minute - we are thinking of going to Mc Donalds.....
so she goes hungry.....

One author wrote how looking closely at poverty is about as fun as digging up a grave.
It's uncomfortable.
We are built to sympathize with others - which is why laughter or crying is often contagious.

Most of evil is caused because we want to ignore uncomfortable thoughts & feelings. We do need to have functional illusions though, so we better fulfill our potentials. I guess living in alignment with both common sense & spirit, we know when to face uncomfortable facts & when to comfort & inspire ourselves with functional illusions.

There are no easy solutions.... each and every one that would accomplish what this thread is about, would require the world to act as one, in a determined fashion....
Europe was working towards that... been watching? how have you reacted?

I agree that there aren no easy solutions, nor is there 1 answer to fit all circumstances.
Are you referring to European groups trying to encourage tollerance?

[Persona]

Originally Posted by Sam Albion

actually, yes, Persona -- we do have to try to believe it's possible. I forget that. Thank you for reminding me.

I'm gonna borrow Brother Michaels' "half full glass".... you don't mind, I hope.

I keep coming across the idea to believe (reading it, my child told me it, songs)...
I've come to question almost everything, realizing it isn't what I thought it was, so I've often wondered,
"What am I supposed to believe in?"
I think it is believing in goodness... in the goodnes in myself & in others, to make a positive difference.

[BrotherMichaelSky]

Originally Posted by Persona

Lunitik & I were discussing this idea of balance, which I'm still trying to understand.
Regarding the extremes of prosperity & poverty, my guess is that wholeness and balance would mean more of a moderation. To some, it might seem like socialism, but basically, it would be giving people & their resources the respect due (& compensating for previous disrespect). Many don't realize how often US corporations & customers have benefited from other country's resources, to the neglect & suffering of those exploited.

I realize my own hand in this & it's humbling.
It puts things in perspective & makes me more motivated to help make up for any suffering I've contributed to, even if it was ignor-antly.


One author wrote how looking closely at poverty is about as fun as digging up a grave.
It's uncomfortable.
We are built to sympathize with others - which is why laughter or crying is often contagious.

The barrier between Self and Other is illusory.... We are feeling a REAL NEED when these things enter our consciousness - or they would not enter...
The point is what we do with the impulse.... do we SYMPATHIZE with the OTHER - or do you see what simply needs to be done as something you are connected with in a very real way....

Most of evil is caused because we want to ignore uncomfortable thoughts & feelings. We do need to have functional illusions though, so we better fulfill our potentials. I guess living in alignment with both common sense & spirit, we know when to face uncomfortable facts & when to comfort & inspire ourselves with functional illusions.

There is nothing that I have found which does not lead me to believe that illusions are DANGEROUS to a creator.... and many things which do....
It should be easy enough to understand, that it is not advisable to use a skill you are in the process of developing, to interact with Reality....
We must learn how to NOT create, unless it is with full consciousness and purposely.....
The habit of "using" functional little illusions in one's daily life is deceiving - and develops "muscles" in the wrong direction.... It is advisable to drop ALL the illusions in one's life...
when dealing with others, one can only follow their own guidance.... that's what it is there for.... but reinforcing one's obfuscating illusions has a foul taste when one knows the cost of them.....

I agree that there aren no easy solutions, nor is there 1 answer to fit all circumstances.
Are you referring to European groups trying to encourage tollerance?

no, I am talking about the clumsy attempts at unifying the impetus behind governments... It will take a long time for the need to sink in enough to force it to work.... but it shows the trend surfacing... encouraging in a vague way...

[Persona]

Originally Posted by BrotherMichaelSky

The barrier between Self and Other is illusory.... We are feeling a REAL NEED when these things enter our consciousness - or they would not enter...
The point is what we do with the impulse.... do we SYMPATHIZE with the OTHER - or do you see what simply needs to be done as something you are connected with in a very real way....

Good point.

There is nothing that I have found which does not lead me to believe that illusions are DANGEROUS to a creator.... and many things which do....
It should be easy enough to understand, that it is not advisable to use a skill you are in the process of developing, to interact with Reality....
We must learn how to NOT create, unless it is with full consciousness and purposely.....
The habit of "using" functional little illusions in one's daily life is deceiving - and develops "muscles" in the wrong direction.... It is advisable to drop ALL the illusions in one's life...
when dealing with others, one can only follow their own guidance.... that's what it is there for.... but reinforcing one's obfuscating illusions has a foul taste when one knows the cost of them.....

We cannot help but think illusionally - so we've got to work with what we've got.
You cannot possibly consider all possibilities of all possible universes - Ultimate truth - so we settle for our very limited subjectively, illusional perspectives. There is so much need - I have no way of even being aware of it all. But I CAN do what I can do. And I will be more productive if I choose functional, inspiring illusions, rather than dysfunctional, discouraging ones.