Benefit of belief

[_Z_]

What if illusion is reality!

& nirvana is an illusion of nothingness; if there is something [which there is wether aor not one calls it illusion or reality] then there cannot be nothingness absolute. one can fill an empty glass, yet 'we may not fill a full glass with emptiness' [and i'll have none of those buddhist chaps tell me otherwise ].
what do you think of that one people!

Z

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by _Z_

What if illusion is reality!

& nirvana is an illusion of nothingness; if there is something [which there is wether aor not one calls it illusion or reality] then there cannot be nothingness absolute. one can fill an empty glass, yet 'we may not fill a full glass with emptiness' [and i'll have none of those buddhist chaps tell me otherwise ].
what do you think of that one people!

Z

yah. then you have each personal experience which is a reality, while to someone without that experience they think it is only an illusion, which is one reason i give those experiences i dont know about the benfit of the doubt.
(usually)

then the long road of reasons to try & explain the contract. which of course is not really a contract, just an illusion that we believe? LOL

[_Z_]

Bandit.

Yes absolutely! Then consider it so that’s gods creation i.e. the universe, is also an illusion, thus it is an illusion that we all share. Thence because it is the same to us all it is reality, yet unto itself it is but an illusion!

'there is only illusion' - what do you think so far, a druids dream or what eh

'the imagination is the womb and the projector of [the] illusion'

'we are a projection of gods project!'

they are just flying out of me tonight wahoo

Z

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by _Z_

What if illusion is reality!

& nirvana is an illusion of nothingness; if there is something [which there is wether aor not one calls it illusion or reality] then there cannot be nothingness absolute. one can fill an empty glass, yet 'we may not fill a full glass with emptiness' [and i'll have none of those buddhist chaps tell me otherwise ].
what do you think of that one people!

Z

Illusion is by definition, an erroneous perception Of reality, or belief.
When I say to " Christian " believer, belief is an Illusion, they say, i am crazy.
Illusion is part of reality, easily recognized by participants. And it never change into something Real.

About "nothingness", I can only say, there was always Something that never
existed alone. Truth can't exist by itself, Truth need something, to exist.
God's Love can't exist by itself, He need someone to love.
And it turned out, we ( Humans ) are lucky winners, because God is a Human.
Full glass, waiting to be filled with emptiness
I'll let those buddist chaps and you Z, to feel that "glass" business.

Pete

[_Z_]

plaidback.

Illusion is as you say, yet the metaphoric idea can be anything! I was thinking in Buddhist terms – reality is an illusion only nirvana is real. Equally we could say everything is an illusion, but prey let us not get into phenomenon – noumenon stuff lol.



Very true – what you said about nothingness [it cannot be arrived at]. All things are of the one, thus none can be ultimately separated [ we cannot arrive at any singular on its own], as we are relative. If we arrive at oneness there still remains the ‘duality of history’, the singular and the multiple. To go beyond the paradox of this, we need to go to the idea of ‘that which is all, both singular and multiple, duality and non-duality’


nothingness [nirvana] then, is an illusion as it cannot be arrived at singularly. It is easy to say everything else [the universe] bar nirvana, is an illusion thus nirvana is the only reality. so imho, I simply un-include the whole argument from my philosophy, one can only say that all is real or all is an illusion and be equally correct on both counts!


Z

[Plaidback]

Originally Posted by _Z_

plaidback.

Illusion is as you say, yet the metaphoric idea can be anything! I was thinking in Buddhist terms – reality is an illusion only nirvana is real. Equally we could say everything is an illusion, but prey let us not get into phenomenon – noumenon stuff lol.



Very true – what you said about nothingness [it cannot be arrived at]. All things are of the one, thus none can be ultimately separated [ we cannot arrive at any singular on its own], as we are relative. If we arrive at oneness there still remains the ‘duality of history’, the singular and the multiple. To go beyond the paradox of this, we need to go to the idea of ‘that which is all, both singular and multiple, duality and non-duality’


nothingness [nirvana] then, is an illusion as it cannot be arrived at singularly. It is easy to say everything else [the universe] bar nirvana, is an illusion thus nirvana is the only reality. so imho, I simply un-include the whole argument from my philosophy, one can only say that all is real or all is an illusion and be equally correct on both counts!


Z

I became natural sceptic, when it comes to budhist wisdom, the moment when truth revealed to me that reincarnation, in terms that our spirit can
inhabit an animal or plant, or whathaveyou, is not possible to happen.
Nirvana is in my book, Ideal condition of state of mind, that brings nothing but
perfect state of balance, symmetry and distance in our thoughts.
Pure Joy, stability and harmony, aka Holy spirit.
Which is not proof, that people who are in any other state of mind, are living
an Illusion, they are part of that United reality as well.
And again, maybe to sum it all Out, Illusion are only thoughts, everything we see, hear, smell or touch is Reality, and it always will be.
If we are able to see, hear, smell or touch Illusion, we call it Miracle.
The only thing, that humanity was able to experience,( not being able to define ), and it is Not either Illusion, or Miracle, was Jesus Christ.

[_Z_]

nice answer plaidback!

I am unsure as concerns reincarnation,- is the spirit not bonded from conception! A specific formula of god’s illusion X ours, that are like hand in glove? Is this then the difference between spirit and concrete reality both god and we are as both.

How can that spirit enter another body and have another life, as infinity is the womb thence all spirits are born at once! Time is then like line drawing waiting to be filled.


This line of thinking is a little inflexible though; spirit can take any form! And the lines must be blurred or destiny be solid!


Sorry if that was not lateral logic.



Z