Bestiality vs Child Sex vs Homosexuality vs Incest - Page 3

cavalier · 11-22-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Reject parts of it? What parts? ooooooh the parts they don't like.... The parts that they would rather be allowed to do? They say there is this god called jah and he is the one who makes the rules... Yet when there is one of his rules that disagrees with their leisure pleasure whatever they say hmm that is in the wrong context or it really means blah or this or that and keep seeking excuses to avoid the laws and rules set by the christian god... yet still want to call themselves christians? Give up the ghost........ I think if you set your faith and loyalty to something you abide by all it's rules... :\

The second half of your post, you wrote something like this on a different thread, don't remember if I replied, anyway,
Who says the Bible, taken at face value, contains these laws?

I guess your thinking is, if you don't accept the Bible, find another religion. I don't think it's that simple though. I don't see why a Christian should have to take everything in the Bible at face value, and some Christian traditions have sources of authority away from the Bible.

17th Angel · 11-22-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cavalier

The second half of your post, you wrote something like this on a different thread, don't remember if I replied, anyway,
Who says the Bible, taken at face value, contains these laws?

I guess your thinking is, if you don't accept the Bible, find another religion. I don't think it's that simple though. I don't see why a Christian should have to take everything in the Bible at face value, and some Christian traditions have sources of authority away from the Bible.

I most likley have said something like that... The reasons I think it should be that way is cause it is supposed to be the word of god.... So why would a christian not take it for what it says? I can't get around that... You have this leader. And a book that is your leaders commands... I just see it as you follow it. *shruggs*

Christian traditions that aren't in the bible? *offers blank look* Such as?

cavalier · 11-22-2006, 05:24 PM

Ask a Roman Catholic

Also, despite people's protestations, no body has yet given me a convincing Biblical argument against predestination. I think I am alone at CR in this standpoint though

Scarlet Pimpernel · 11-29-2006, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 17th Angel

I most likley have said something like that... The reasons I think it should be that way is cause it is supposed to be the word of god.... So why would a christian not take it for what it says? I can't get around that... You have this leader. And a book that is your leaders commands... I just see it as you follow it. *shruggs*

17th Angel, have you ever eaten bacon? Or a cheeseburger? Or worn a polyester-cotton blend? These things are all forbidden by the Bible.

Dor · 11-29-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

17th Angel, have you ever eaten bacon? Or a cheeseburger? Or worn a polyester-cotton blend? These things are all forbidden by the Bible.

Seems like you need to read the whole Bible not parts of it. Those are only forbidden if you are still under Levitical laws and Christians are not read the NT.

Scarlet Pimpernel · 11-30-2006, 11:04 AM

Dor, I have read the NT, many times. What about Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them." That sounds to me like a case could be made that Christians are still under the Levitical laws.

But if Christians no longer need to follow Levitical laws, then our problem is solved, isn't it? We don't have to worry about homosexuality being forbidden in the OT.

Jaiket · 11-30-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

But if Christians no longer need to follow Levitical laws, then our problem is solved, isn't it? We don't have to worry about homosexuality being forbidden in the OT.

Nice!

cavalier · 11-30-2006, 03:49 PM

I'm very curious to see what the response will be.

17th Angel · 11-30-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

17th Angel, have you ever eaten bacon? Or a cheeseburger? Or worn a polyester-cotton blend? These things are all forbidden by the Bible.

Bacon? Ooooooh yes! Cheesburger? mmm mmm! No I don't do polyester... Not because of religion just because of taste, style and money

1. Depends on which laws you are refering to....
2. Which of those laws are applicable or still in place.
3. Do -I- Follow the bible.

These factors do come in to account...

Dor · 11-30-2006, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

Dor, I have read the NT, many times. What about Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them." That sounds to me like a case could be made that Christians are still under the Levitical laws.

But if Christians no longer need to follow Levitical laws, then our problem is solved, isn't it? We don't have to worry about homosexuality being forbidden in the OT.

Are you Jewish? He did not destroy the law. I am a Gentile grafted on to the Olive Tree by grace I was never under the Jewish law. But do I eat pork no I dont but more for health reasons not cause I will burn in hell or nothing.

Dor · 11-30-2006, 05:31 PM

Oh yeah where does it say anything about a cheeseburger?

And you might wanna go back to that NT and double check the no homosexuality bit.
Could start with 1 Corinthians 6:9. or maybe 1 Timothy 1:9-10

Faithfulservant · 12-01-2006, 12:44 AM

Jesus came to fulfill the law not to abolish it.. but gentiles are not under Mosaic law which is different from the 10 commandments. I dont expect people to know that unless they are bible scholars. So dont think Im being condescending.

lunamoth · 12-01-2006, 01:33 AM

Hi Scarlet, good to see you around.

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

What about Matthew 5:17 - "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfill them." That sounds to me like a case could be made that Christians are still under the Levitical laws.

What that quote means to me is that Jesus came to remind us of what the law is all about.

luna

Scarlet Pimpernel · 12-05-2006, 03:29 PM

Hi lunamoth, thanks! And thanks for your answer, too - it makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Dor

And you might wanna go back to that NT and double check the no homosexuality bit.
Could start with 1 Corinthians 6:9. or maybe 1 Timothy 1:9-10

I have double checked it; check out HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS
and
Anti-homosexual 'clobber passages:' 1 Timothy 1:9-10
(just ignore the ads, please; a downside to what I otherwise consider a very good site.)
I'll even throw in
Homosexuality and Romans 1:26-27 - all viewpoints
and
HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: CONSERVATIVE AND LIBERAL VIEWS
for good measure.

I particularly like:
"The NIV contains the phrase: "homosexual offenders." Suppose for the moment that Paul had written "heterosexual offenders" or "heterosexual sexual offenders." We would not interpret this today as a general condemnation of heterosexuality; only of those heterosexuals who commit sexual offences. Perhaps the appropriate interpretation of this verse is that it does not condemn homosexuals. Rather it condemns homosexuals who engage in sexual offences."

Take a look at Matthew 8:5-13. Jesus didn't condemn homosexuals; how can anyone calling themselves His follower do the same?

Faithfulservant · 12-06-2006, 12:54 AM

it wasnt condemnation of homosexuals.. it was the sin of the act.. and it wasnt even the sin of the act it was the fact they wont quit the life of sin and you cant live willfully in a sinful life and be on the path that leads to heaven. There is no self control in that lifestyle and there is little repentance.