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Old 09-20-2006, 08:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bible Contradictions

It is my understanding that the bible has been manipulated and mistranslated on purpose to keep mankind under bondage so that the Fallen Angels can take control of us. It is also my understanding that we are living in the time of the Apostacy and that these are the end times. The church at this point is apostate. Jesus said that his flock is the small flock. Wide is the road that leads to distructin and many will be found upon it but narrow is the way that leads to salvation and few will be found upon it. Christianity is the largest organized religion in the world.

CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE

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Luke 24:39 - Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: HANDLE ME, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
John 20:17 - Jesus saith unto her, TOUCH ME NOT; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God (all quotes from the KJV).
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Matthew 27:5: So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.
Acts 1:18: With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out.
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2Samuel 24:1: Again the anger of the Lord burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.
1Chronicles 21:1: Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.
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Exodus 21:12: Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.
Matthew 5:39: & Romans 12:17: Do not repay any one evil for evil.
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Luke 23:46: Jesus called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit." When he said this, he breathed his last.
John 19:30: When he received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
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1 Corinthians 2:15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, ...
1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing...
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1 Kings 9-23: They were also the chief officials in charge of Solomon's projects -- 550 officials supervising the men who did the work.
2 Chronicles 8:10 They were also King Solomon's chief officials -- 250 officials supervising the men.

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A bat is not a bird. Note that this isn't just an arbitrary classification that the Western and European world has created. A bat is a bird as much as a Cocker Spaniel is a cat.
These are the birds you are to detest and not eat because they are detestable: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat (Leviticus 11:13-19)
You may eat any clean bird. But these you may not eat: the eagle, ... any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (Deuteronomy 14:11-17)
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Insects, as part of their definition, have six legs. (Spiders are arachnids, not insects.)
All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: ... Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket, or grasshopper. (Leviticus 11:20-22)
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Snakes don't eat dirt.
So the Lord God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, ... You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust..." (Genesis 3:14)
Camels have split hooves.
There are some that only chew the cud or only have a split hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. (Leviticus 11:4)
However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit or the coney. [1] Although they chew the cud, they do not have a split hoof; they are ceremonially unclean for you. (Deuteronomy 14:7)
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The earth is not flat, as once thought. It has no corners at all, and "ends of the earth" is not typically interpreted as from outer space. (Besides, what would be the ends? Why should the magnetic poles be "ends" as opposed to the axis of rotation?)
... he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth. (Isaiah 11:12)
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, ... (Revelation 7:1)
Oh Lord, ... to you the nations will come from the ends of the earth... (Jeremiah 16:19)
... and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth. (Daniel 4:10-11)
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Genesis 22:2: Then, God, said, Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love and go to the region of Moriah.
Genesis 16:15: So Hagar bore Abram a son and Abram gave the name Ishmael to the son she had borne.
Genesis 21:2: Sarah became pregnant and bore a son to Abraham in his old age, at the very time God had promised him. Abraham gave the name Isaac to the son Sara bore him.

We are told that Isaac is Abraham's only son but he also had Ishmael.
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Genesis 22:2: Then God said take your son, your only son, Isaac whom you love and go to the region of Moriah, Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering.
Exodus 20:24: Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Where ever I cause my name to be honored.
Isaiah 1:10-12: What are your endless sacrifices to me? Says The Lord. I am sick of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of calves. I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.

The Lord ordained sacrifice and then said that he takes no pleasure in sacrifice, makes not sense.
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Mark 2:25--26:And he said to them: "Have you never read what David did, when he was in need and was hungry, he and those who were with him; how he entered the House of God, when Abiathar was high priest,..."

Ahimelech was high priest at that time. Only after his death (I Samuel22:18) did his son, Abiathar, succeed him:

I Samuel 30:7: And David said to Abiathar the priest, the son of Ahimelech….
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Genesis 46:27: And the sons of Joseph, who were born to him in Egypt, were two souls; All the souls of the house of Jacob that came into Egypt were seventy.

Acts 7:14: And Joseph sent and called to him Jacob his father and his kindred;
seventy--five souls.

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Old 09-20-2006, 08:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Bible Contradictions

Moved to the comparative board.
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Re: Bible Contradictions

We've got who knows how many authors over centuries who created the books. And then those that compiled the stories into the various chapters. And then those that edited each book...and then out of the hundreds of books available, many of which are cross referenced and cross pollenated as it were...we have group of people that decide to put 66 books together and call them holy.

It is amazing there aren't more contradictions, and they didn't have spellcheck, cut and paste, find and replace tools that we have today to sort through thier work.

To me it is the stories that contain the power and the value, troubling ourselves over every nuance....nah...I'd rather work on growth than tearing apart everything. I enjoy the contradictions, and the various takes from the varioius authors...
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Hello I, Brian, May I ask why you moved this thread to the comparative board? This is strictly a Christian, Judaic topic about their Holy scriptures.
Just curious.

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Old 09-20-2006, 09:59 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Bible Contradictions

I've grown....I deleted my response before I sent it! While I don't think my response would have been inappropriate, especially in this thread....I do feel others might think so, and enough of others whom I respect that I deleted it.

Of course my ego is still not in check otherwise I would have not typed this...or at least deleted it prior to the post...

bottom line M...you gotta read the rules.
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Old 09-20-2006, 10:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Re: Bible Contradictions

Hi Wil, I don't know what rules you are speaking of, so could you please direct me to the rules so I can read them.
Thank You.
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Re: Bible Contradictions

Kindest Regards, Marietta, and welcome to CR!
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It is my understanding that the bible has been manipulated and mistranslated on purpose to keep mankind under bondage so that the Fallen Angels can take control of us.
I suppose you are welcome to believe as you wish. I would question how well your beliefs serve you in dealing with the rest of humanity. You know, the old "do unto others" thing. I would think that someone who is promoting that the Bible is manipulated in order to keep people in service to the devil is out to control people themselves, binding them with an undeserved fear.

Is it possible, just possible, that some of these "contradictions" are just figures of speech? Not meant to be taken "literally," yet understood well within their own cultural context?

Time for me to fly! Bye bye!
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Hi Marietta!

You might find this weird, but I would be a whole lot more skeptical of the Bible if it didn't contain contradictions. The Bible really isn't a coherent propaganda, it's much, much more than that.

Welcome to CR. The rules are a little odd, but what they're trying to do is provide a safe place for people who can't handle criticism to fellowship.

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Re: Bible Contradictions

Hello juantoo3,
Thank you for the warm welcome.
I'm not sure what you are asking as to how my beliefs serve me in dealing with the rest of humanity? Please clarify this for me.

I truly believe in the saying "live and let live." I live my life as I see fit and allow others to do the same. I don't try to impose my thoughts upon others, however when asked I do share my personal understanding on any given subject. I am 57 years old and over the years I have gathered quite an array of understandings on different topics. Over the years I have had to let go of old thought patterns to allow the old out molded thoughts to be replaced with newer more realistic ones.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is the rule around our house. My grand kids know it by heart and they are still relatively young. I try to apply this across the board in my life. I have also incorporated the saying "Love your neighbor as yourself" into my life as well because I believe that we are all connected on a much higher level of existence and by causing harm to another will inadvertently brings harm to myself in one way or another (because on a much higher lever my neighbor is myself).
Just the opposite, I do not wish to control anybody however I do wish to take control of my own life and thought processes. There is no fear in true knowledge. Fear is the unknown factor and once you face it and become familiar with it you over come it.

Why would a figure of speech contradict itself, when the story is supposed to be the same?
How can a contradiction which has to do with the number of something be cultural?

Have a good flight and hope to hear from you again.

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Hello Chris,
Thanks for your input. I don't think I have broken any of the rules, have I?

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Thanks for your input. I don't think I have broken any of the rules, have I?

Love and Light, Marietta
Who knows? We live at the whim of the administrators.

One of the interesting things, to me anyway, is that the Bible preserves a sort of debate between a number of factions over what the nature of God is. The Jahwists, the Deuteronomists, the Ecclesiastes...all with a different view. The authors of the Gospels disagree amongst themselves and with Paul. It's like a conversation over several hunderd years about what God is and wants, what the role of the Jews and their enemies is, and what the overall plan might be. You have competing mythologies and a plethora of different points of view.

Anyway, welcome again.

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Hey Marietta: Could you expand on this:
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It is my understanding that the bible has been manipulated and mistranslated on purpose to keep mankind under bondage so that the Fallen Angels can take control of us.
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My wife is always contradicting herself. She told me she didn't want the car, so I loaned it to a friend, and then she said "I meant I didn't want the car other than for my usual Tuesday morning appointment which you know all about".
Now I ask you, really, she didn't say exactly that when I asked her so how was I to know, eh?

What's that you say ... Oh, I was supposed to put it all together and work it out intelligently ... ok, I guess you're right!
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My wife is always contradicting herself. She told me she didn't want the car, so I loaned it to a friend, and then she said "I meant I didn't want the car other than for my usual Tuesday morning appointment which you know all about".
Now I ask you, really, she didn't say exactly that when I asked her so how was I to know, eh?

What's that you say ... Oh, I was supposed to put it all together and work it out intelligently ... ok, I guess you're right!
That's funny! I had to put my face a frickin' inch from the screen to read it, but it's funny.

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Now there's a word you don't see often enough on this forum.
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