Bible Truths

[winner08]

show me scripture where it says the ungodly will not be saved. I can bet you wont find them words in scripture.

Darren

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by winner08

show me scripture where it says the ungodly will not be saved. I can bet you wont find them words in scripture.

Darren

Got a better one for ya. Show me where it says, they will be saved...

Oh, and welcome to Interfaith, Darren

[mee]

Originally Posted by winner08

show me scripture where it says the ungodly will not be saved. I can bet you wont find them words in scripture.

Darren

how about these , of cause it is not refering to a litral fire, but everlasting destruction .

in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 2 thessalonians1 ;8;9

"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."2 PETER 3:9.





For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way
romans 1;18


But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
2 peter 3;7



"Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him."—Jude 14, 15.


Those coming to their end will be ungodly.
No harm will come to innocents, unlike what often happens in human wars, where civilian casualties outnumber military ones.
The Great Judge guarantees us that his day will be a destruction of the ungodly.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

how about these , of cause it is not refering to a litral fire, but everlasting destruction .

in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 2 thessalonians1 ;8;9

"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."2 PETER 3:9.





For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way
romans 1;18


But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
2 peter 3;7



"Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him."—Jude 14, 15.


Those coming to their end will be ungodly.
No harm will come to innocents, unlike what often happens in human wars, where civilian casualties outnumber military ones.
The Great Judge guarantees us that his day will be a destruction of the ungodly.

Let Darren look it up, mee. Doesn't do any good with the bible closed in front of him. He's got to open it up and look for himself. You're not doing him any favors...

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Let Darren look it up, mee. Doesn't do any good with the bible closed in front of him. He's got to open it up and look for himself. You're not doing him any favors...

very true its good for others to look it up then they will know what the bible REALLY teaches.

the bible is no good to any of us if it is sat on a bookshelf never having been looked at . or up in the attic to gather dust.


WHAT is sharper than any two-edged sword?

God’s Word, the Bible,

"For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and of the joints and their marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart."—Heb. 4:12.


yes the bible is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart it has great power

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Show me where it says, they will be saved...

here is an interesting verse

Matt. 7:13, 14, RS: "Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy, that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few."



for those who enter the wide gate it will lead to destruction

but those who go in the narrow gate and way it will lead to life

[juantoo3]

Originally Posted by winner08

show me scripture where it says the ungodly will not be saved. I can bet you wont find them words in scripture.

How does one prove a negative?

Unicorns don't exist...yeah, well, prove it! Have you ever seen one? No, but that's not proof, because who knows if one day one might show up...lack of proof is not the same as proof of lack. Said another way: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The Platypus was imaginary once upon a time not long ago, and lo! and behold! the impossible came true...

Scripture is scripture...I've seen many people take the words of the Bible and use them to say many contradictory things.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

WHAT is sharper than any two-edged sword?

A Mach three razor with no "safety bar" on the back. Also a fool's tongue professing the "truth", wherein his life is nothing but a fabrication to begin with.

"True Lies", I think that is a movie, starring the governor of California...

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

A Mach three razor with no "safety bar" on the back. Also a fool's tongue professing the "truth", wherein his life is nothing but a fabrication to begin with.

"True Lies", I think that is a movie, starring the governor of California...

mee would rather take on board the bibles words. it is more beneficial and true . the word of God is alive and powerful

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

mee would rather take on board the bibles words. it is more beneficial and true . the word of God is alive and powerful

What do you mean by true mee?

Now I believe reading and contemplating the bible stories is powerful and beneficial, and they can come alive. But as historical fact we are continuously finding issues between the text and archeology.

And while I have an understanding that the bible is true as in the stories, parables, allegory contain truth that can be utilized in our lives.

What do you mean by true?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

mee would rather take on board the bibles words. it is more beneficial and true . the word of God is alive and powerful

Well in that case, you should have absolutely no problem accepting Jesus' description of hell as noted in Matthew and Mark. UNLESS, you are stating that those two Gospels are not Biblical but rather "man made" doctrine, which then would totally destroy your build up to the point that the Bible is without error and in fact, absolutely true...

I think you have a slight problem mee... and it is called a "catch 22". Either the Bible is accurate, or the Watch Tower Society doctrine/translation is accurate, but since there is a direct conflict between the two, the two can not be accurate at the same time.

So, mee, which is correct?

[winner08]

Originally Posted by Azure24

Hi all,

Before I go on to say why I have made this thread, let me just say ULTIMATELY only God can make one understand, because in all honesty NO ONE understands God. This morning I have prayed, I have prayed for all who do not understand the scriptures, that God will make them see the truth. Believe me I don't fully understand God, I only understand what God has shown me through the scriptures. I do not make judgments on anyone, obviously that is not up to me. But I will show everyone here on this board what I have studied in the scriptures as it hurts me when someone is mislead. Feel free to dispute with me...

The term "Eternal life" is unscriptual in the Bible. The New Testament was originally written in Greek. "Eternal life" in it's proper wording is "Eonian life".

Let me give you passage:

John 3:36

"Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."

This indeed is a mistake. Highlight John 3:36 and go to Bible gateway. Now, most Bibles will give "the above quote" or replace "Eternal" with "everlasting". Now, "everlasting" is a contradiction in itself... If it is "EVER" (forever) then how can it be "LASTING" (to last). But how ever some Bibles (in Bible gateway) have to proper meaning for example let me show you what the same passage says in Young's Literal translation:

"he who is believing in the Son, hath life age-during; and he who is not believing the Son, shall not see life, but the wrath of God doth remain upon him."

"Eonian life" is life for the eons or life for the ages. However long the eons or ages are, that's how long eonian or age-abiding life is. Then what?

Here's why unlearned theologians say this is not possible, because after the ages or eons, we would all die. NOT TRUE!

Let me illustrate. Suppose your company is going to buy you and everyone in your company an all-expense paid trip to Europe for one month. EVERYBODY gets that trip. However, because you are such a fabulous worker and such a asset to the company, your boss is going to send you on a trip to Europe for three whole weeks BEFORE everyone else goes on their trip. This is a SPECIAL, BONUS trip. Not many get to go on THIS particular bonus trip, only a few.

Now then, you get to go THREE WEEKS earlier than the rest. When they arrive, you have already been their enjoying yourself for THREE WEEKS. So when the others arrive to begin their vacation, does your vacation END? No. Only your "three week" vacation ends. But you CONTINUE to vacation in Europe just as long as the rest.Your hotel reservation is not cancelled after three weeks.

That is not a perfect illustration, but maybe you get the point. "Aionion" or "Age-lasting life" is a SPECIAL gift from God that only a relatively FEW ever receive. It is LIFE in God's Kingdom BEFORE the masses are brought into God's Kingdom. What allows those who are given "eonian life" to continue living even AFTER the eons are past, is not the promise from God of "eternal life" but rather "IMMORTALITY."

All of God's children will be given IMMORTALITY and INCORRUPTION, so that they will NEVER DIE. However, those who are given immortality before the rest, receive it ages or eons IN ADVANCE of the rest.

Can you now understand it? If not, let me know and I'll try and explain it a different way.

I will post more later...

Thank you Jesus for your wisdom on the correct translations. I truly mean this. I get upset when people think they are learning the truth but they are not. They will fight you tooth and nail thinking that they are right on something when they are not. I don't blame them or judge them because they don't have a clue about certain translation. It's not their fault, it is the false teacher who's at fault. I called it man made doctrins. Man made teachings. Generation after generation just blindly following, not questioning their teachers. There is a very big difference in forever and ever or for all enternity and the correct translation eonian or ages. You are blessed by the Lord in understanding His truths. Thank you again for shareing this information people must know the correct translations.


Darren

[Netti-Netti]

Originally Posted by winner08

I called it man made doctrins. Man made teachings. Generation after generation just blindly following, not questioning their teachers.

That's always a problem. Another problem that's not specific to teachers is people's tendency to read meanings into a text that are not supported by the actual text.
http://www.interfaith.org/forum/what-is-a-soul-9359-8.html#post161242

[winner08]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Got a better one for ya. Show me where it says, they will be saved...

Oh, and welcome to Interfaith, Darren

thanks for the warm welcome. you ask for me to show you some scripture where All of mankind will be saved O.K.

1. 1Tim 2:4 God Will have ALL to be saved.

2.JN 12:47 Jesus came to save the WHOLE world.

3. 1 JN.4:42 Jesus is Savior of the WORLD

4. 1 JN 4:14 Jesus is Savior of the WORLD

5. JN. 12:32 Jesus will draw ALL MANKIND unto Himself.

6. 1 cor 15:22 In Adam ALL die, in Christ ALL live.

7. 1 cor. 3:15 ALL saved so as by fire.

8. 2 cor. 5:15 Jesus died for ALL

9. 1 tim. 4:9-11 Jesus is Savior of ALL

I have so many more but these few are rigfht to the point. there's no maby's or ifs about it. Jesus came to save the world. Scripture does not say some or part of the world.

Scripture Says God will save ALL mankind not just the few or just the elect. ALL of mankind.

If you believe what scripture says than there's no question, All will be saved. You just have to believe in what the scripture says. Most people do not believe in what the scriptures says, They put their own spin on it and tell you what the scriptures means to them. It does not work like that, scripture says just what it means. Too many read between the lines. That's where they go wrong. Jesus said if it were not so I would have told you. Scripture interped's itself.

Darren

[winner08]

Originally Posted by juantoo3

How does one prove a negative?

Unicorns don't exist...yeah, well, prove it! Have you ever seen one? No, but that's not proof, because who knows if one day one might show up...lack of proof is not the same as proof of lack. Said another way: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

The Platypus was imaginary once upon a time not long ago, and lo! and behold! the impossible came true...

Scripture is scripture...I've seen many people take the words of the Bible and use them to say many contradictory things.

I can and just proved All of mankind will be saved with scripture and as you said scripture is scripture. check out what I replied to Quahom1. Now you prove with scripture that all will not be save. Just 2 give me 2 scriptures that says this and I will accept and move on.

Darren