Bible Truths

[winner08]

Originally Posted by mee

very true its good for others to look it up then they will know what the bible REALLY teaches.

the bible is no good to any of us if it is sat on a bookshelf never having been looked at . or up in the attic to gather dust.


WHAT is sharper than any two-edged sword?

God’s Word, the Bible,

"For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of the soul and spirit, and of the joints and their marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart."—Heb. 4:12.


yes the bible is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart it has great power

First of all to Quahom1 I probaly read more than you will ever and I don't take anybody's word on anything when it concerns scripture. About the word hell, Hell is translated 3 different times in the bible.

Hades in hebrew
Sheol in greek
and 1 time it is use in 2peter 2:4 as gehenna

If you understood the correct translations you would understand the correct meaning.

As in forever and everlasting. these are not in the original text of the gospels. The gospels were written in Hebrew(old testament) and Greek (New testament)
The correct translation is aion or age if you understand this you would know what you are talking about.

once again thanks for the warm welcome.

Like I said Mee I look up everything. and I have many books on the Bible and many Books on the hebrew and greek languages.

Before putting someone down make sure you know what your talking about.(Quahom1). Mee, you should be carefull who you agree with.Some people don't know.

Darren

[mee]

[quote=Quahom1;161104]Well in that case, you should have absolutely no problem accepting Jesus' description of hell as noted in Matthew and Mark. quote]
mee has no problem eccepting what Jesus REALLY taught.

correct understanding of the bible leads to understanding indeed.

[mee]

[quote=Quahom1;161104]

I think you have a slight problem mee... quote]

mee has no problem at all ,

[winner08]

Quahom1 if you want to know more on the orginial translation of hell in hebrew and greek check our Azure24 from bible truth posted 2-5 08 then maby you will understand. if you chose or not to believe, that's a different story.

Darren

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

What do you mean by true mee?

.

What do you mean by true?

Gods word is TRUTH



"When you received God’s word, which you heard from us, you accepted it, not as the word of men, but, just as it truthfully is, as the word of God." (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

[winner08]

Originally Posted by Azure24

No one is going to Hell...

The word “hell” is found in most modern language Bibles. This was not always so. There are numerous translations, which do not contain the word “hell” even once. Why is this? Furthermore, new translations are dropping the word hell from their versions. Do you know why this is happening?

Here are the words for which "hell" was inserted as a "translation" into English:

The Hebrew wordsheol (31 times)

The Greek wordgehenna (12 times)

The Greek wordhades (10 times)

The Greek word tartarus (1 time)

Listen to what I am about to say very very carefully: If the word "hell" is the most accurate and correct English word available to translate, the Hebrew wordsheol, and the Greek wordsgehenna, hades, and tartartus, then these four words must all have the same meaning. But in reality only two of these four words have the same meaning.

The Hebrew wordsheol and the Greek wordhades are synonymous in meaning.

And here is the proof from the Scriptures and the inspiration of the Holy Spirit that the Hebrewsheol and the Greekhades are identical in meaning:

Acts 2:27: "Because You will not leave My soul in hell [Gk: hades], neither will You suffer your Holy One to see corruption" is quoted from:

Psalm 16:10: "For You will not leave My soul in hell [Heb: sheol]; neither will You suffer your Holy One to see corruption."

I believe the word tartarus is used 1 time and it is 2 peter 2:4 It use as a place of restraint or incarcerated as in a prision where the angles who had sin were cast down to hell (tartarus) and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment.

Thanks for correct translations. Some people just don't understand, through no fault of their own. This is why so many think there's a place called hell where mankind will be burned and tormented forever and ever.
They just don't know. I mean Hell and forever and ever or everlasting and entenity are just but a few word that are poorly translated, therefore they think they know what their talking about and they really don't.
Maby they should look these things up before they speak.

Darren

[mee]

Originally Posted by winner08

Mee, you should be carefull who you agree with.Some people don't know.

Darren

i agree ,there are many who do not know, that is why mee likes to put true knowledge to the fore , Daniel 12;4

but there are also many who do know , but choose to ignore it and even to work in opposition to true knowledge.


and then there are those who do know and love to promote true knowledge .

[winner08]

Originally Posted by mee

how about these , of cause it is not refering to a litral fire, but everlasting destruction .

in a flaming fire, as he brings vengeance upon those who do not know God and those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord and from the glory of his strength, 2 thessalonians1 ;8;9

"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, . . . but he is patient with you because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."2 PETER 3:9.





For God’s wrath is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who are suppressing the truth in an unrighteous way
romans 1;18


But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
2 peter 3;7



"Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment against all, and to convict all the ungodly concerning all their ungodly deeds that they did in an ungodly way, and concerning all the shocking things that ungodly sinners spoke against him."—Jude 14, 15.


Those coming to their end will be ungodly.
No harm will come to innocents, unlike what often happens in human wars, where civilian casualties outnumber military ones.
The Great Judge guarantees us that his day will be a destruction of the ungodly.

The lake of fire where the Lord puts the unbelievers is where we will be purged from all of our carnality and come out pure as gold. You heard of the story of the potter and the clay and how the potter has to purge the clay in order to get all the impurities out. This is of course we as the clay and the Lord as the potter. God will uses the fire of the holy Spirit to purge all the junk out of us. You heard of being biptized by fire, there you go. The carnality of man has to be destroyed(lake of fire) in order to be pure (like Christ) so that we may enter the kingdom.

Darren

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by winner08

First of all to Quahom1 I probaly read more than you will ever and I don't take anybody's word on anything when it concerns scripture. About the word hell, Hell is translated 3 different times in the bible.

Hades in hebrew
Sheol in greek
and 1 time it is use in 2peter 2:4 as gehenna

If you understood the correct translations you would understand the correct meaning.

As in forever and everlasting. these are not in the original text of the gospels. The gospels were written in Hebrew(old testament) and Greek (New testament)
The correct translation is aion or age if you understand this you would know what you are talking about...

...Before putting someone down make sure you know what your talking about.(Quahom1). Mee, you should be carefull who you agree with.Some people don't know.

Darren

Très bien, Darren. Je prendrai en compte cela.

Sin embargo, como usted puede ser que ahora realice, sucedo estudiar lengua… bastante.

Und ich mag Vielzahl, weil sie mir hilft, Leute zu verstehen.

Конечно оттенки можно пропустить от одной культуры к другим, если одна не понимает людей, то которые говорят язык, на этом мы соглашаемся (вы и я).

But I will take what you've said into consideration...

Once again:
Bienvenue
Recepción
Willkommen
Добро пожаловать
Welcome

Q

[winner08]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Très bien, Darren. Je prendrai en compte cela.

Sin embargo, como usted puede ser que ahora realice, sucedo estudiar lengua… bastante.

Und ich mag Vielzahl, weil sie mir hilft, Leute zu verstehen.

Конечно оттенки можно пропустить от одной культуры к другим, если одна не понимает людей, то которые говорят язык, на этом мы соглашаемся (вы и я).

But I will take what you've said into consideration...

Once again:
Bienvenue
Recepción
Willkommen
Добро пожаловать
Welcome

Q

Wow that is impressive. God has really blessed you. I hope you give thanks to the Lord for that gift. I really mean it Quahome1. I am not being a smart @%*

Darren

PS I do owe you and apology for being so rude to you. Sometimes I let my ego get in the way. This is something I have to work on. Now this dosn't change my beliefs. I just have to find a different way to express it.

Thanks,

Darren

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by winner08

Wow that is impressive. God has really blessed you. I hope you give thanks to the Lord for that gift. I really mean it Quahome1. I am not being a smart @%*

Darren

PS I do owe you and apology for being so rude to you. Sometimes I let my ego get in the way. This is something I have to work on. Now this dosn't change my beliefs. I just have to find a different way to express it.

Thanks,

Darren

It's ok man. No worries. We all have our particular talents, and abilities. And we each see a piece of "truth". But the puzzle is for us all to put together...

[mee]

ok back to bible truths


Apostate priests, prophets, and wise men of the Israelite nation in time led the people to oppose God’s counsel and commands as spoken by his loyal servants. (Jer 18:18)


As a result, Jehovah caused ‘the wisdom of their wise men to perish and the understanding of their discreet men to conceal itself’ (Isa 29:13, 14; Jer 8:8, 9),

bringing the 500-year-old kingdom to ruin (as he later did to Jerusalem’s proud destroyer, Babylon, and to the boastful dynasty of Tyre). (Isa 47:10-15; Eze 28:2-17)

They rejected spiritual wisdom in favor of fleshly wisdom.


which brings to mind another bible truth ,

Jesus praised his heavenly Father for hiding certain truths from the "wise and intellectual ones" while revealing them to his disciples, who were by comparison like "babes." (Lu 10:21-24)

The scribes and Pharisees, educated at rabbinic schools, were among such wise and intellectual ones.—Compare Mt 13:54-57; Joh 7:15.


it does not matter how educated we are , what matters is if we are right with God .

[mee]

Originally Posted by winner08

The lake of fire

Darren

The lake of fire has a meaning similar to that of "the fiery Gehenna [hell fire, King James Version]" that Jesus spoke of. (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48)

Gehenna occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and it refers to the valley of Hinnom, outside the walls of Jerusalem.

When Jesus was on earth, this valley was used as a garbage dump, "where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals, and every other kind of filth was cast." (Smith’s Dictionary of the Bible)

The fires were kept burning by adding sulfur to burn up the refuse. Jesus used that valley as a proper symbol of everlasting destruction.

As does Gehenna, the lake of fire symbolizes eternal destruction.

Death and Hades are "hurled into" it in that they will be done away with when mankind is freed from sin and the condemnation of death.

Willful, unrepentant sinners will also have their "portion" in that lake.
(Revelation 21:8)
They too will be annihilated forever.
On the other hand, those in God’s memory who are in hell—the common grave of mankind—have a marvelous future.

[winner08]

Originally Posted by mee

The lake of fire has a meaning similar to that of "the fiery Gehenna [hell fire, King James Version]" that Jesus spoke of. (Matthew 5:22; Mark 9:47, 48)

Gehenna occurs 12 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and it refers to the valley of Hinnom, outside the walls of Jerusalem.

When Jesus was on earth, this valley was used as a garbage dump, "where the dead bodies of criminals, and the carcasses of animals, and every other kind of filth was cast." (Smith’s Dictionary of the Bible)

The fires were kept burning by adding sulfur to burn up the refuse. Jesus used that valley as a proper symbol of everlasting destruction.

As does Gehenna, the lake of fire symbolizes eternal destruction.

Death and Hades are "hurled into" it in that they will be done away with when mankind is freed from sin and the condemnation of death.

Willful, unrepentant sinners will also have their "portion" in that lake.
(Revelation 21:8)
They too will be annihilated forever.

On the other hand, those in God’s memory who are in hell—the common grave of mankind—have a marvelous future.

I just want to give you this scripture here, tell me what you think about it.

1cor 3:15 if anyone's work will burn he will sufffer loss, but he himself will be save, yet so as through by fire.

I said this before, we all will be saved and we will be saved by going through the lake of fire. The works that are burnt up is the works of self,our carniality. We will be saved once we are purged in God's spiritual fire. (lake of fire). I gave a few scripture on all will be saved under the same thread ALL will be saved. (check it out.

Darren

[mee]

Originally Posted by winner08

I just want to give you this scripture here, tell me what you think about it.

1cor 3:15 if anyone's work will burn he will sufffer loss, but he himself will be save, yet so as through by fire.

I said this before, we all will be saved and we will be saved by going through the lake of fire. The works that are burnt up is the works of self,our carniality. We will be saved once we are purged in God's spiritual fire. (lake of fire). I gave a few scripture on all will be saved under the same thread ALL will be saved. (check it out.

Darren

if anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved; yet, if so, [it will be] as through fire. 1 cor 3;15



But as for you, in case you have warned someone wicked and he does not actually turn back from his wickedness and from his wicked way, he himself for his error will die; but as for you, you will have delivered your own soul.
ezekiel 3;19


yes its good to build with durable things that reach the heart


wisdom, discernment, fear of Jehovah, and genuine faith, then we are building with durable, fire-resistant materials. (Psalm 19:9, 10; Proverbs 3:13-15; 1 Peter 1:6, 7) Those who acquire these qualities will continue to do God’s will; theirs is the sure hope of remaining alive forever. (1 John 2:17)