BNP at the EU

[Postmaster]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Yes.

White members only. "Voluntary repatriation" of non-indigenous Caucasian. British jobs for British (ie white) people. Rather than just nationalist think national socialist and you're getting a more accurate picture.

Bill will ban 'white-only' BNP | News

The collapse of the Labour Party vote let the BNP in under PR. The BNP %age of the vote was about the same. The turnout was (as ever) low at a European election. The election was the electorate punishing Labour, it had nothing to do with "Europe" in that sense; although I would say many British are anti-EU (another party for you Vaj - UKIP - did relatively well and they are essentially a protest party against the EU).

They do get "individual" seats and then the parties team up into groupings to form voting blocs I think under general headings like "liberal".

s.

How does the BNP consider White British? Im Cypriot decent but Iam white British aswell.. I have widows peak on my forehead which is a white man trait. Lets face it they basically want a land with people who are genetically as similar to themselves as possible, thats errrrrrr.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

How does the BNP define White British? Although Im Cypriot decent Iam white British aswell..

If you want it from the horse's @rse maybe have a look at their website, I'm certainly not going to go to it. This is on the slippery slope to blond, blue-eyed Aryan racial purity so you are probably best being white, born in the UK and with a family tree that ties you to the UK back till at least 1066.

Being born in the UK isn't good enough on its own and being white isn't good enough on its own. Basically I'd say you need to be a white racist (and sure of your parentage).

s.

[Tao_Equus]

Vaj,

As others have indicated this was a European Parliamentary Election where turnout is traditionally very low. This one was the lowest ever and the BNP actually had fewer votes than it did for the last one. It was singularly the failure of Labour Party voters to turn out that allowed the BNP to gain these 2 seats. The United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP) that wants seperation from the EU actually came in second, pushing labour into third position. In essence it was not the activism of the BNP or UKIP that allowed and increased representation of anti-Europeanism in the EU parliament but the apathy and dissilusionment of the general population.

The UK was not alone. The picture was repeated across Europe and probably does represent a growing frustration over the amount of imigration that is taking place. But again that is nothing new and the election of racist parties has always been a feature of European politics. Looking over the long term however this voting block has not increased in size except in Holland. Economic downturns traditionally cause an increase in support to anti-imigration parties and this one is no exception. As economies recover I assume the declining support the BNP has will continue that trend. There will always be racist bigots, just as there will always be masogynists. But I do not believe there is a shift to fascism in Europe.

[Postmaster]

Sounds pretty exclusive to me..

[Vajradhara]

Namaste all,

thanks for the replies Snoopy and Tao.

that is an interesting feature of the EU i.e. that political parties get seats and such.

if i'm understanding the explanation correctly, this election cycle was an interim election with the national elections still to come, correct?

as a general sort of thing i'm not opposed to nationalist political parties, i completely understand the idea of Chile First! politics. i am completely opposed to political parties which view ethnic qualities as inclusive or exclusive features. given the rather recent political turmoil such parties have created in Europe i'm rather surprised to see you folks suggesting that some of these parties are actually gaining political power.

as an aside.. i find the EU concept to be intriguing however given my understanding of European history it seems to be rather naievely optimistic to think that the bulk of Europeans would be keen for it. of course that will change as the older generations die off leaving the generations that were not at odds with eachother with the decision making power.

metta,

~v

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

if i'm understanding the explanation correctly, this election cycle was an interim election with the national elections still to come, correct?

Spot on.

as an aside.. i find the EU concept to be intriguing however given my understanding of European history it seems to be rather naievely optimistic to think that the bulk of Europeans would be keen for it. of course that will change as the older generations die off leaving the generations that were not at odds with eachother with the decision making power.

metta,

~v

Actually I think most Europeans are extremely hostile to any fascist tendency. When it does raise its ugly head, such as in France a few years back with Le Penn, the following election cycle provides a comprehensive counter-punch.

[GlorytoGod]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Spot on.

Actually I think most Europeans are extremely hostile to any fascist tendency. When it does raise its ugly head, such as in France a few years back with Le Penn, the following election cycle provides a comprehensive counter-punch.

i am not so sure about that, the fascist party in Italy is perfectly legit and considered respectable apparently according to my good friend who lived over there for several years

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Spot on.

Actually I think most Europeans are extremely hostile to any fascist tendency. When it does raise its ugly head, such as in France a few years back with Le Penn, the following election cycle provides a comprehensive counter-punch.

Germany is a lot more strict, not surprising after their history in the 20th century.

There's a random ad on the front end of the interfaith site, promoting one of the forum discussions "spiritual fascism", about elitism within even spiritual (as opposed to religious) groups, where ordinary people are regarded with disdain.

The graphic accompanying that is an image of a group of skinheads.

It used to be an image of a Nazi flag - red background, white circle, swastika.

However, for one of the apocrypha pieces I'd put up after asking for permission to do so, the German historian later emailed me in horror, not simply because the swastika was appearing on the same page as his translation, but also because the image of this flag was apparently banned in Germany.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Spot on.

Actually I think most Europeans are extremely hostile to any fascist tendency. When it does raise its ugly head, such as in France a few years back with Le Penn, the following election cycle provides a comprehensive counter-punch.

i recall reading about Le Penn several years ago.. i have relatives that are French, some live in the United States and some live in various parts of France... in any case... i was under the impression that he wasn't so much a France First! guy as a "get those smelly immigrants outta here" guy.

i haven't watched French news in quite awhile... been watching the Nigerian news channel... eh.. fiber optics has some advantages.. but i think they had a national election recently and a nationalist party won.. but i may be mistaken about that.

Brian, i was pretty sure that Germany had laws regarding all manner of nationalist parties and have banned the use of the swastica, thanks for the confirmation... though that raises an interesting avenue for discussion given that the swastica is a fairly well used Hindu religious symbol... for another thread do you know if the parties in Germany are mandated to be open to all ethnic groups?

metta,

~v

[Postmaster]

The swastica is also used by Jains? The most passive religion.

[I, Brian]

The Nazi swastika is reversed, though, so hopefully there's a distinction in law between the types.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

given the rather recent political turmoil such parties have created in Europe i'm rather surprised to see you folks suggesting that some of these parties are actually gaining political power.

The support for the B*P is patchy. On this link you can see that 1 in 6 voted for the BNP. Although this is partly due to low turnout this doesn't of course mean a higher turnout would have meant a differerent result; in theory the non-voters could all have gone out and voted B*P.

BNP: Barnsley voters turn their backs on Labour over 'foreigners' - Times Online

s.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by GlorytoGod

i am not so sure about that, the fascist party in Italy is perfectly legit and considered respectable apparently according to my good friend who lived over there for several years

Indeed; the Northern League:

IRR: Why we should fear Italy's Northern League

s.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

How does the BNP consider White British? Im Cypriot decent but Iam white British aswell.. I have widows peak on my forehead which is a white man trait. Lets face it they basically want a land with people who are genetically as similar to themselves as possible, thats errrrrrr.

You would be considered as a foreigner... You would -not- be welcome in 'their' land. Sure they are racists... But, they are also nationalists... You ain't a friend... You're an enemy.

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Sounds pretty exclusive to me..

That's the "beauty" of it..

[Francis king]

u'd be "sent home", postmaster, on a big boat...