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[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

and my viewpoint is about what the bible REALLY teaches , and it is goodnews about better things . are you saying that i should not make known what the bible says and teaches ?



yes ,you are right to say Jesus said to preach the Gospel and baptize people and obey the Bible.

but he also said to teach them all that he had taught them , and that did not include the trinity ,or hellfire ect ect


Jesus sheep hear his voice.

That is the point. You do not have the whereforall to dictate what the Bible teaches. Because you do not know, just like the rest of us. What you do is interpret and condemn others because of that interpretation...that is just not right.

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Q

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

Do you think being repetitious without ever actually addressing my points will accomplish anything?

Second, you explain to me how JWs have cornered the market on the fruit of the Spirit, which is "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control." (Galatians 5:22)

If I am to judge who the faithful are by the fruits of the Spirit, I see people with these qualities in abundance in every major world religion. The late Mother Theresa comes to mind as an exemplar...

Now, you prove to me that only the JW church has people who show the fruit of the Spirit. You prove to me that the Catholic and other Christian saints did not show these fruits.

And then I will believe you...

You see, mee- I am just following what is in line with the Bible's teaching...

in this time of the end many people From many religions are being gathered into unity and they have come out of all different types of religions , and they are being gathered togeather into unity and it is GLOBAL revelation 7;9-10 , and all of these ones have responded to the preaching of the goodnews of the kingdom matthew 24;14 they are not perfect they have 1000 years to get there, but they are all a work in progress and they are all feeding from the same table and it is this one spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 and as REVELATION 7;14 says they will get through the great tribulation .

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

That is the point. You do not have the whereforall to dictate what the Bible teaches. Because you do not know, just like the rest of us. What you do is interpret and condemn others because of that interpretation...that is just not right.

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Q

i know the bible does not teach hellfire and the trinity . if people want to believe that God roasts people they are free to believe that ,that is there choice, but what the bible really teaches is not along those lines.

i am not condemning anyone i just make known bible truth

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by mee

and my viewpoint is about what the bible REALLY teaches , and it is goodnews about better things . are you saying that i should not make known what the bible says and teaches ?



yes ,you are right to say Jesus said to preach the Gospel and baptize people and obey the Bible.

but he also said to teach them all that he had taught them , and that did not include the trinity ,or hellfire ect ect


Jesus sheep hear his voice.

Jesus also did not say anything about 1914, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc. etc.

Incidentally, he did say stuff about fire... (I don't believe in hellfire, but I'm honest enought to say Jesus talked about fire.)

And perhaps, in terms of why you are here, you should comtemplate discussion as a goal versus making known. An interfaith forum's purpose is to exchange ideas. It is not to constantly aim for a one-sided conversation in which you claim to know everything (and need to make known this to others) and to call others' beliefs idiotic.

And I see you still have not addressed any of my points, but simply continue to repeat the same things.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by mee

in this time of the end many people From many religions are being gathered into unity and they have come out of all different types of religions , and they are being gathered togeather into unity and it is GLOBAL revelation 7;9-10 , and all of these ones have responded to the preaching of the goodnews of the kingdom matthew 24;14 they are not perfect they have 1000 years to get there, but they are all a work in progress and they are all feeding from the same table and it is this one spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 and as REVELATION 7;14 says they will get through the great tribulation .

OK, what I see is a string of Bible verses and your interpretation of a chronology. You tell me where in the Bible it gives us dates in clear terms, and says the JWs are the ONE WAY, and I will believe it. I don't want teachings from outside the Bible based on some magazine's writing, either. I want verses from the Bible that say exactly what you say- the whole bit about 1914 and so forth.

And what that has to do with the fruits of the Spirit, I still would like to hear.

Let's just take one example. I'd like you to show me that Mother Theresa did not have the fruits and did not preach the Gospel. She was obviously not JW, so if she did indeed have the fruits and preach the Gospel, then she must be one of the faithful according to your own words. And if she was one of the faithful but Catholic, then that shows the faithful aren't just the JWs, right? And if I can be one of the faithful and not a JW, then why should I abandon my church for yours?

Have you ever stopped to consider... are you advertising God's Kingdom, or are you advertising the JW church? Because nowhere in the Bible does it say the two are one and the same. That is a manmade interpretation. If God had wanted us all to wait for 1914 and the JW church, I think He would have said so.

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

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Then why are you here. Again... The COC says this is not a place to "advertise" God's kingdom. And anyway, the Christianity forum ALREADY KNOWS.

the goodnews seems to disturb people on the christianity forum , i wonder why that is . after all it is GOODNEWS

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by mee

the goodnews seems to disturb people on the christianity forum , i wonder why that is . after all it is GOODNEWS

Once again, a complete failure to address my point- the COC. This is turning into a pattern of yours, mee.

Can you address any points directly?

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

OK, what I see is a string of Bible verses and your interpretation of a chronology. You tell me where in the Bible it gives us dates in clear terms, and says the JWs are the ONE WAY, and I will believe it. I don't want teachings from outside the Bible based on some magazine's writing, either. I want verses from the Bible that say exactly what you say- the whole bit about 1914 and so forth.

And what that has to do with the fruits of the Spirit, I still would like to hear.

Let's just take one example. I'd like you to show me that Mother Theresa did not have the fruits and did not preach the Gospel. She was obviously not JW, so if she did indeed have the fruits and preach the Gospel, then she must be one of the faithful according to your own words. And if she was one of the faithful but Catholic, then that shows the faithful aren't just the JWs, right? And if I can be one of the faithful and not a JW, then why should I abandon my church for yours?

Have you ever stopped to consider... are you advertising God's Kingdom, or are you advertising the JW church? Because nowhere in the Bible does it say the two are one and the same. That is a manmade interpretation. If God had wanted us all to wait for 1914 and the JW church, I think He would have said so.

ONE mark of true religion and of those who practice it is respect for God’s Word. God’s Son when on earth set the pattern in this by showing the highest respect for the inspired Scriptures. He quoted them as the final authority on matters. He continually referred his hearers to God’s Word, encouraging them to read and apply it. (Matthew 19:4-6; Luke 24:44, 45) He showed his deep respect for the Bible by living in accord with its teachings every day. The fulfillment of God’s Word meant more to him than even his own life. (Matthew 26:53-56) Never did he downgrade the Bible; rather, he condemned those who failed to teach in harmony with it and who tried to weaken its force with their own teachings.—Mark 7:9-13.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by mee

ONE mark of true religion and of those who practice it is respect for God’s Word. God’s Son when on earth set the pattern in this by showing the highest respect for the inspired Scriptures. He quoted them as the final authority on matters. He continually referred his hearers to God’s Word, encouraging them to read and apply it. (Matthew 19:4-6; Luke 24:44, 45) He showed his deep respect for the Bible by living in accord with its teachings every day. The fulfillment of God’s Word meant more to him than even his own life. (Matthew 26:53-56) Never did he downgrade the Bible; rather, he condemned those who failed to teach in harmony with it and who tried to weaken its force with their own teachings.—Mark 7:9-13.

OK. But yet again, you fail to discuss any of the points I brought up, or to answer my questions. What you say here is irrelevant to what I asked and brought up. Nice, but irrelevant.

It's like me saying...

"Why is grass green?"

And you saying...

"Grass can grow up to two inches a week, and so you should mow it often. That way, you will have a healthy lawn."

It doesn't answer the question...

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

the goodnews seems to disturb people on the christianity forum , i wonder why that is . after all it is GOODNEWS

No, you disturb people with your disturbing distubances.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

the goodnews seems to disturb people on the christianity forum , i wonder why that is . after all it is GOODNEWS

Mee, it is time for you to **** or get off the pot. Sorry to be so blunt, but we have been patient with you for several years. We want to know what Mee thinks. Not the elders.

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Q

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by mee

ONE mark of true religion and of those who practice it is respect for God’s Word. God’s Son when on earth set the pattern in this by showing the highest respect for the inspired Scriptures. He quoted them as the final authority on matters. He continually referred his hearers to God’s Word, encouraging them to read and apply it. (Matthew 19:4-6; Luke 24:44, 45) He showed his deep respect for the Bible by living in accord with its teachings every day. The fulfillment of God’s Word meant more to him than even his own life. (Matthew 26:53-56) Never did he downgrade the Bible; rather, he condemned those who failed to teach in harmony with it and who tried to weaken its force with their own teachings.—Mark 7:9-13.

Hey mee,

We can't all agree with each other on what to believe. I don't insist that you uphold the Trinity and nor do I insist that you disown the Watch Tower. Your posts may be a response to what people have said here about your beliefs, and now you feel you must vindicate yourself. So you may be posting not to preach but to justify your own beliefs. You don't want to appear weak so you try to be as affirmative as you can and try not to get personal.

Ok fair enough. But let's just forget that these discussions took place. You've been taken to task. I would hate to see you being oppressed and persecuted, but most importantly you don't have to justify everything you think and believe. The people here are Christian just like you. We're no better than you. We release you from the need to justify yourself. We don't even hold ourselves to such standards. If you don't post we won't have anything to which to respond so there you can rest happy.

What I mean is, we're setting you free. We're not judging you anymore. You don't have to defend yourself. We're not here to humiliate you.

Take a break for a while. You're getting too involved. We're going to be here for a while. You can be pretty sure that next week we'll still be able to chat.

The journey of Christ. We're all in this together. You and us, individually and collectively. We accept you, you accept us. Let there not be a wall between us. Isn't that good news?

[path_of_one]

Y'all know I'm not normally pushy, and I'm the last person that wants someone to feel persecuted. But enough is enough all ready, and that's why this time, I engaged in debate rather than "ignore" mode.

The problem is that mee insists that only s/he is correct, and fails to engage with us the way you are describing, Salty, with mutual respect and acceptance.

If mee said, as the rest of us do, "I accept you as a Christian, and I respect your beliefs because I realize they are your best attempt to be a good Christian," there would be no issue here. I fully accept mee's beliefs as great for mee. I'm not trying to change mee's mind about them. But I'm not going to stand by while other people attack my beliefs in a disrespectful manner and then smugly tell me if I was just a JW, then all would be well, because they are the only ones who have it all figured out.

It's not the beliefs of the JWs I'm railing against. It's mee's attitude in how s/he is engaging me and other members, skirting around the COC's rule against proselytizing, and not having a two-way conversation. All that is just disruptive to the forum and gets us nowhere in meaningful dialogue. I suppose at this point I just had enough already, and yet to be honest, I'm being pretty easy on mee.

S/he went on the offensive originally, and I have been playing a defensive game, asking for proof and evidence. I'm not attacking mee's beliefs, I'm saying if s/he is so sure mine are wrong, offer up proof. None of it would have gotten off the ground in the first place if mee would have been polite and actually interested in interfaith exchange rather than telling us all how wrong we are.

Honestly, I do "come in peace!"
Path/Kim

[mee]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

If God had wanted us all to wait for 1914 and the JW church, I think He would have said so.

thats an interesting thought , because Jesus did say that he was going away but he would come again .
and when he did come into kingdom power in 1914 , what did he find on the earth ,there were many who called them selves christians and he could have thought anyone of those groups were the ones doing what he had asked them to do .

and the last thing that Jesus said to his followers before he went back to heaven was this in matthew 28;19-20 ....GO therefore and make disciples teaching them all the things i commanded you.




and i would think that he would have looked around at those mainstream channels and saw that they had taken on many doctrines of man which he did not teach.


so he was looking for those that were faithful to his teachings ,and yes he did find a faithful class of slaves or servants . at the end of the day the early christian congregation was set up to do what Jesus asked ,but as Jesus himself made known the apoztacy would infiltrate the congregations and it would come from those in the congregations because they were teaching things out of line with true teachings.


For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. 2 timothy 4; 3-4

but now in these last days the class of ones that Jesus is using, is being fed by Jesus and he has given them all his belongings matthew 24;45-47 many people in the world are now being gathered to join that little flock of faithful ones and they also are being fed by Jesus and they are in total unity of thought
revelation 7;9-10

i am not saying that these ones of the great crowd in revelation 7;9-10 are better than other people ,it is just that they are willing to go along with what Jesus is doing . and they are all a work in progress .



Following the apostles’ death, "the man of lawlessness" came out into the open with his religious hypocrisy and false teachings. (2Th 2:3, 6, 8)


this man spoken of here is a composite man , not an individual man , so its about the teachings that come from the channel that claims to be Gods channel that is the issue here.


and as you mentioned , many people are trying to do right , (mother thersa )there are many people doing good things but have they been misled by false stories and myths. its the teachings coming out of the religions that are wrong , they are based on lies . Jehovah God and Jesus christ are the ones to do the judgeing . Jehovahs witnesses are only sent forth to preach the GOODNEWS about the kingdom ,and to teach others what Jesus taught. we are not the judges we only point to what the bible says .

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Mee, it is time for you to **** or get off the pot. Sorry to be so blunt, but we have been patient with you for several years. We want to know what Mee thinks. Not the elders.

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Q

i think the goodnews is great DANIEL 2;44 and i think that the gathering of a great crowd is great also, and i love the way that they are all in unity of thought. revelation 7;9-10 THATS WHAT MEE THINKS .