Bush, God And War

[wil]

Namaste Q,

You support your President so fervently as if it is a requirement to prove patriotism.

Originally Posted by flowperson

It's something like this that is driving all of the insane decisions IMHO.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Voice of reason in the nick of time...thanks Flow.

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Senator Clinton... is the top runner that we're supposed to consider for president?

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I call it cheap shots, at my president.

Therefor if Senator Clinton is elected I take it you will support her with identical fervor against all detractors...popular vote and all that. Just as I suspect you did her husband...after all.

[AndrewX]

... for those crackpots like me who really do believe in Roswell,I just wonder if they're gonna pay attention when we say "Klaatu barada nikto," or laugh maniacally and say, "riiiiiiiight" just before they hit the `Nuke' button.

And that reminds me of the old MTV video for Genesis, `Land of Confusion.'

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

I didn't go to war in '68, or '69, because I WANTED to kill people overseas, and sure, circumstances then would have been quite different, both for our Nation (and planet) - AND for the individual you'd have actually met, had you met "me."

But buddy, I got my proverbial ASS shot off over there. And after a fashion, I did that for YOU. Get out from behind that nose of yours next time you feel like giving me a bit of finger, and remember - you ain't the ONLY SOLDIER 'round here. I wouldn't last TWO SECONDS in today's Army. That may not be ... but in '68 or '69 I was qualified enough to get shipped overseas and KILL people so your Dad could keep puttin you in diapers.

Hey Andrew, uh...your bio says you were born in '72.

Chris

[AndrewX]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Hey Andrew, uh...your bio says you were born in '72.

Chris

Yes. I was born in 72. But 3yr olds don't invent past-life memories. And I don't buy that psychological crap about overactive imaginations. Bear with me for a sec ...

I think Ian Stevenson did the Twenty Cases Suggestive of - (Reincarnation), and it was Nick, here at CR, who started a very good thread about childhood memories of past lives, some time ago. There was great discussion on that thread!

I know quite a bit about my whereabouts before March of '72, and I don't mean the nice cozy rest in the immediate months prior. Those I guess we all miss!

At any rate, the karma was all mine, and I wasn't a good little soldier going over to fight for my country and the high'n'mighty American `way of life.' I was just accepting the judge's offer to keep me outta jail. It was either do time, probably lots of time, and pay fines, for drug charges ... or do the `right' thing and `serve my country in the war overseas,' that whole trip.

Hey, it must have seemed like a good idea at the time - the only option, I suppose. So I (or `he') took the plea bargain.

And the rest of it haunted me in most of my childhood as the `living-hell memories' from Vietnam, via the astral shell of that former lifetime. In cases of wartime or violent deaths, there are sometimes immediate reincarnations, and the dregs of the astral shell - the ghost - cannot be properly disposed of. There are even traits which sometimes accompany the new incarnation, via the mental body, as the thoughtform of the previous life ... and this accounts for some cases of child prodigy, or unusual abilities.

I explain all this, because I LIVED it. I know lots of folks don't believe in rebirth. That's okay. But I essentially had a childhood friend, of more or less neutral character ... from an early age. Sometimes it was the corresponding child from this earlier incarnation, I guess from the early 50s (Akron, Ohio). Other times it was the youth who eventually went to San Francisco ... and what a lot of gentle people he certainly met there, while also getting a bit lost in the Haight Ashbury, hippie drug culture. Said youth was a Vaishnava, a `Hare Krishna,' or devotee of Krsna, after moving to CA.

It was sad for someone so peaceloving, and with plenty of potential to be sent off to Vietnam ... and I know, I KNOW, that that was one of the most HORRIFYING experiences any person could ever have, especially someone whose very religion, whose chosen spiritual path, was to LOVE all life, to respect all people, to BE a gentle person, and to be a devotee (if also a rather stoned, tripped out devotee).

Ah well, this is karma, and on a deeper level, it is the Soul saying, "You've screwed up your future for this lifetime, now you must reap what you've sown. The lesson is harsh, but the need is great. Another opportunity will therefore be given." That's my interpretation, anyway, and it's worked for 17 years, since I was 18.

I also grew up with a Knight Templar as more or less a `guardian angel,' in a similar way that this hippie guy was kind of a ghost, but the circumstances were different. Both `presences' are now gone. One was absorbed, another handed me his sword, and rode off. He passed the torch.

Asking people to dig up past-life memories isn't always good, and I think it's a bad idea in general. If we're meant to know, we'll know. It often causes more problems than it solves. And I spent quite a few years sort of semi-identified, psychologically, with this alter-ego, which was kind of a waste of time.

I have little respect for George Bush, for several reasons. But I myself had a DWI. I never did coke or crack, but I've tried "lesser" drugs. I was damn sure never AWOL, but if I were drafted to fight in Bush's phoney war, I'd burn my draft card in his face. I would certainly have done that in '68 or '69, but the circumstances were different.

My beef with bush, and with people who blindly, nationalistically support him, is that they aren't even bothering to consider the man, AS A MAN, and ask, WHAT are his qualifications? WHAT are the things which stand out in his past as prior so-called indiscretions. Indiscretions MY ASS. Clinton babbles something about toking but "not inhaling," and here we've NOT ELECTED a boozing frat-boy, AWOL crackhead for the LEADER OF OUR COUNTRY ... and the man REALLY, truly can't form complete sentences most of the time.

Folks, I have my own issues communicating. Especially if I'm a bit stoned. BUT AM I RUNNING FOR FRIGGIN PRESIDENT???

There are precious few individuals at C-R who don't have better leadership qualities than dumbiya, and I dare say most of us here probably have better executive skills as well. Imho, the greatest president we've ever had ... was a CATHOLIC, and gee, HE seemed to do pretty well.

TOO well. BANG!

Hey, been there, done that. A LOT! Deja vu!

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

... for those crackpots like me who really do believe in Roswell,I just wonder if they're gonna pay attention when we say "Klaatu barada nikto," or laugh maniacally and say, "riiiiiiiight" just before they hit the `Nuke' button.

And that reminds me of the old MTV video for Genesis, `Land of Confusion.'

Phil Collins...he didn't like the 'muppet' version of himself, much

v/r

q

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Q,

You support your President so fervently as if it is a requirement to prove patriotism.Therefor if Senator Clinton is elected I take it you will support her with identical fervor against all detractors...popular vote and all that. Just as I suspect you did her husband...after all.

Indeed, should that come to be, I will support the president that my constituants and citizens voted into office. And I will defend the Constitution of the United States to that same end.

Politicians may change, but the Constitution does not.

v/r

q

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Hey Andrew, uh...your bio says you were born in '72.

Chris

lol I tried like hell to sneek in to the military in 75...didn't get far....(oy )

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by AndrewX

... for those crackpots like me who really do believe in Roswell,I just wonder if they're gonna pay attention when we say "Klaatu barada nikto," or laugh maniacally and say, "riiiiiiiight" just before they hit the `Nuke' button.

And that reminds me of the old MTV video for Genesis, `Land of Confusion.'

riiiiiiiiiiiiight. lol

[China Cat Sunflower]

Hi Andrew!

I did notice the parenthetical "me", but I parse words very carefully and it wasn't obvious from my reading that you were referring to a past life. I think it's a bit disingenuous, given the hyperbolic rhetoric employed, to present oneself in equal comparison to those who serve, or who have served in this lifetime when one is referring to past lives. In any case I think it would have been better to have clearly stated that you were referring to a past life.

Your friend,

Chris

[AndrewX]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Hi Andrew!

I did notice the parenthetical "me", but I parse words very carefully and it wasn't obvious from my reading that you were referring to a past life. I think it's a bit disingenuous, given the hyperbolic rhetoric employed, to present oneself in equal comparison to those who serve, or who have served in this lifetime when one is referring to past lives. In any case I think it would have been better to have clearly stated that you were referring to a past life.

Your friend,

Chris

This is probably true, Chris. They weren't my actions and choices, per se, but if the doctrine of reincarnation makes any sense at all ... then we must accept and try to understand the continuity. I'm not disagreeing with your point, and I feel a bit sheepish about it, yes. But I do feel that in the bigger picture, I am who and what I am, because of the choices that I've made - and that means THEN, as well as NOW.

At any rate, there is something in me that surges when I see the Vietnam Vet sticker on the back of people's vehicles ... and it's similar to the respect that I feel when I see or hear about Vets of any other war, yet deeper.

No, it wasn't "me." But I'm just a grain of sand on an endless beach, anyway. And the other 60 billion grains of sand, really don't look any different as we go walking by, do they?