Butterflys and Gods

[Tao_Equus]

lol, not one decent counter argument yet. I'l give you a tip: "logic gates".

tao

[c0de]

@ Tao

From what I gather, your entire argument is based on the following:

An all knowing creator god has an impossible task. It would have to know with exact precision the divergent potential and predict what every particle, and sub-particle, in the universe would not only do, but what its divergent influence on every other particle would be from the beginning till the end of time. You can imagine this is mathematical task of such scale that it has to be ruled out as a rational possibility.

You think God, the Creator of the universe would be intimidated.... by math? ... By the same principles that He used to create the universe?

But no matter what the law is everything that is supposedly governed by it can have a divergent potential that breaks the law. This potential is unmeasurable. So there can be no creator. A creator would not dare create a butterfly, lest it destroy all its work.

No, it is unmeasurable for us...

[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Tao

An all knowing creator god has an impossible task. It would have to know with exact precision the divergent potential and predict what every particle, and sub-particle, in the universe would not only do, but what its divergent influence on every other particle would be from the beginning till the end of time. You can imagine this is mathematical task of such scale that it has to be ruled out as a rational possibility.

I have to concur with c0de here. Even in you own statement above, you've contradicted yourself. An all-knowing creator God would know all. What you are doing is setting limitations based on what we humans cannot measure. But if God is an Infinite Mind, why would you assume that he isn't capable.

Chaos seems to rely on unpredictability. But it only seems unpredicatable to us because we evidently aren't capable in measuring all the variables that are the sources of the cause of some event. Indeed, in quantum mechanics, our very observation of something appears to influence the result. That may be because we are within the system which we are attempting to observe. But if God is outside the space-time continuum, then His observation would have no effect on the result.

[Tao_Equus]

lol, weak, weak, weak reasoning. The viewable universe is big. VERY BIG!! Like it takes a light-speed photon over 13 billion years to reach us from the furthest we can see.So this guy who likes to see his son nailed to a cross, or his prophet nail a 9 year old, creates all this and makes it so chaotic just to confound the number crunchers Gimme a break!! No two things in the relative universe are identical. So "it" had to create each one individually just to please your superstition Seems likely

These arguments are absolutely meaningless. There are far better counters.

tao

[c0de]

@ Tao

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

The viewable universe is big. VERY BIG!! Like it takes a light-speed photon over 13 billion years to reach us from the furthest we can see.So this guy who likes to see his son nailed to a cross, or his prophet nail a 9 year old, creates all this and makes it so chaotic just to confound the number crunchers Gimme a break!! No two things in the relative universe are identical. So "it" had to create each one individually just to please your superstition Seems likely

... None of this is relevant to the objections made by Dondi and myself against your argument.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by c0de

@ Tao



... None of this is relevant to the objections made by Dondi and myself against your argument.

That entirely depends on your mindset/wipe.

tao

[c0de]

@ Tao

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

That entirely depends on your mindset/wipe.

No... not in this case.

You said: God can't do the math

We said: Since God created math, we're sure he can handle it.

[Tao_Equus]

Like I said, that entirely depends on your mindset/wipe.

tao

[c0de]

@ Tao

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Like I said, that entirely depends on your mindset/wipe.

tao

rite...

[Tao_Equus]

Yes RIGHT! It is more than apparent to me you cannot even read what I write without applying the same ever present religious cop-out. And you think it is me making a cop-out. lol But there are far better arguments you could make...

tao

[c0de]

@ Tao


Ignoring the basic flaw in your argument is not gonna make it go away.

Post #22

You said: God can't do the math

We said: Since God created math, we're sure he can handle it.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by c0de

@ Tao


Ignoring the basic flaw in your argument is not gonna make it go away.

No, the flaw is on you applying your own thinking to what I say and not understanding what I really say. Nothing sentient would create something so chaotic and unpredictable. I tried to give you some idea of the chaos involed but you are not listening. Like a child you invoke superstition. Lol, and you think something made a universe of utterly unpredictable chaos just so you could read the koran lmao.

tao

[c0de]

@ Tao

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Nothing sentient would create something so chaotic and unpredictable.

Nothing is chaotic or unpredictable for a God who is Infinite. As Dondi has already stated: "Chaos seems to rely on unpredictability. But it only seems unpredicatable to us because we evidently aren't capable in measuring all the variables that are the sources of the cause of some event." post # 18

.... like a child you invoke superstition.

We did not invoke superstition, we applied basic logic.
Your argument is fundamentally flawed...

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by c0de

@ Tao




Nothing is chaotic or unpredictable for a God who is Infinite. As Dondi has already stated: "Chaos seems to rely on unpredictability. But it only seems unpredicatable to us because we evidently aren't capable in measuring all the variables that are the sources of the cause of some event." post # 18



We did not invoke superstition, we applied basic logic.
Your argument is fundamentally flawed...

There is no Logic in invoking a superstitious belief in an infinite being for which there is no shred of evidence. Especially a being that wants us to KNOW, FEAR and RESPECT him and that expects us to follow patently cruel and contradictory commandments he gave to warlords and charlatans centuries ago. It is utter nonsense. And the only thing fundamentally flawed is the logic of people who believe such crap.

tao

[c0de]

@ Tao

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

There is no Logic in invoking a superstitious belief in an infinite being for which there is no shred of evidence. Especially a being that wants us to KNOW, FEAR and RESPECT him and that expects us to follow patently cruel and contradictory commandments he gave to warlords and charlatans centuries ago. It is utter nonsense. And the only thing fundamentally flawed is the logic of people who believe such crap.

This has nothing to do with your original argument. Therefore, it is irrelevant.
As for the evidence for God: Remember this thread? Proof of God