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Bandit · 05-10-2005, 10:26 PM

some of my friends & everyone in my family owns a gun & so do I. i do not shoot people.

Vajradhara · 05-10-2005, 10:33 PM

Namaste all,

what next.... Buddhists for Bombs?!?!

meaning, of course:

B = Basic
O = orientation of
M = minds
B = before
S = sense consciousness

sort of reminds me a little joke that i heard... Quahom, perhaps you've heard it as well...

what is the difference between a Mechanical Engineer and a Civil Engineer?

a mechanical engineer makes weapon systems
a civil engineer builds targets.

Visitor · 05-15-2005, 01:05 PM

I checked out the COMBAT website as well. Interesting to say the least. I think in some ways a spiritual "boot camp" can be a good thing but teaching children to use firearms in an enivronment purported to honour God is a little iffy for my liking. They use Ephesians as a basis (6:10-) but I think they push Paul's analogy of arming oneself against the enemy a bit too far. He was using the example of a Roman soldier's armour and weapons as something of a metaphor for how we should prepare ourselves for the work of God.

I, Brian · 05-15-2005, 08:44 PM

I hear the US C.O.M.B.A.T 4 Christ group has a sister organisation in the UK, called C.U.P of T.E.A 4 Christ.

Quahom1 · 05-15-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by I, Brian

I hear the US C.O.M.B.A.T 4 Christ group has a sister organisation in the UK, called C.U.P of T.E.A 4 Christ.

I bet the emphasis is on ediquette...which is not a bad thing at all.

v/r

Q

Awaiting_the_fifth · 05-17-2005, 11:56 PM

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There are other ways to get meat than from a grocery store...Most people do not own guns to shoot people despite opinions from anti-gun people.

Certainly this is true of rifles, but what purpose does a handgun have other than killing people?

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You give two people a gun.. one person knows gun safety the other one doesnt.. which do you trust more to handle it.

I simply wouldnt give anyone a gun

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Its the same with driving a car.. one person was taught how to drive the other one wasnt... which do you trust more to drive it.

The person who was taught to drive, of course, but cars have a purpose other than killing.

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Originally Posted by Bandit

some of my friends & everyone in my family owns a gun & so do I. i do not shoot people.

(working on the assumption that you are talking about handguns)
Why do you own guns then?

Bandit · 05-19-2005, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Awaiting_the_fifth

Certainly this is true of rifles, but what purpose does a handgun have other than killing people?

I simply wouldnt give anyone a gun

The person who was taught to drive, of course, but cars have a purpose other than killing.

(working on the assumption that you are talking about handguns)
Why do you own guns then?

Apples. I like to shoot juicy apples. I place big shiny red apples on top of peoples heads while they balance them, then at about 15-20 yards make a clear shot & blow the apple off the top. Now I could use my bow & arrow or sling shot, if you prefer no guns, but it takes longer to load.

BTW- cars are most definately used today to kill people quite often & on purpose. Just like bare hands & bare feet can be a deadly weapon & you have a much better chance of killing someone with a rifle/shotgun than a hand gun. But i dont shoot people, & one of them is from my redneck Grandpa after he passed away.

once again, this combat for christ is not about shooting people & hurting people & creating war, it is about spiritual warfare & the full armor of God, which in reality has nothing to do with physical weapons. but it appears only bible believers will understand this.

Vajradhara · 05-19-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

once again, this combat for christ is not about shooting people & hurting people & creating war, it is about spiritual warfare & the full armor of God, which in reality has nothing to do with physical weapons. but it appears only bible believers will understand this.

ah... sort of like Jihad.

interesting...

InLove · 05-19-2005, 09:27 PM

I would NOT send a child there. If I felt my children needed to learn how to use guns, I would take them to an instructor and I would be present at all times. And I would not mind if that instructor happened to be a Christian, but this is backwards.

If I send my children to a Christian church camp, I expect the "weapon" they will be taught to use against the enemy (Satan) to be God's Word.

There is something quirky about this, in my opinion--there is just too much emphasis on firearms. And I agree with Faithfulservant on this one--the firearms course description is enough for me to keep my kids and grandkids away. If they want to join the military someday, or learn law enforcement, then that is something they can do when the time comes.

To me, this seems highly irregular for a missionary Baptist church. I am pretty familiar with Baptist "stuff" and this just doesn't sound right to me--although it is getting harder and harder to know what people will do "in Jesus' name."

By the way, where did you say the "teacup" camp was?

InPeace,
InLove

truthseeker · 05-19-2005, 11:32 PM

I guess I would feel better about sending my children to a camp where they would learn military tactics and has church during the night time to balance it out instead of a military tactic camp that uses Ephesians 6 as a head starter (which really doesn't appear to be the case).

But one thing's for sure, I don't live in that area of the country, which seems to think quite differently than city folk do. That camp couldn't thrive here in Southern California because we don't use guns like people out in rural areas do. In the rural areas of the U.S., it's a major accomplishment to graduate high school and go straight into a military career. In the cities, a military career is an option if you can't cut it doing anything else. My point is, while my city thinking doesn't agree, the camp may be very productive activity for rural area children and the religion aspect may be very enticing to the parents.

Bandit · 05-20-2005, 07:31 AM

it sounds like the 'MOM' coming out in some of the ladies

. Moms never were real crazy about guns & stuff. My son was not even aloud to have a squirt gun or darts growing up.

I know my church would not use any weapons for any of this, not even a sword matched up with the bible. On the other hand, I would rather see them learn about it in safety, than later with the street gangs or problem kids in school, in a bad way. You guys are right, there is no reason for guns in any of this.

There is a Community Baptist around here that always has real way out outings. I had a friend from school who went there & when I went on the church trips with him, they were a blast!

Bandit · 05-20-2005, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Vajradhara

ah... sort of like Jihad.

interesting...

No, not even like that. It is all about spirit & in the spirit & learning how to walk in spirit, through faith & prayer & peace & studying the bible for victory in spirit through Jesus etc... where all you have to do is stand & God fights for us

. kind of hard to explain. I think it is learned over time.

No raids, military action or Holy Wars or literal COMBAT.

hard telling what some people are thinking today in all religions.. i think some keep crossing the line between flesh & spirit w/o even realizing it.

InLove · 05-20-2005, 10:00 PM

Hi all!

Peace--

Well, I come from a long line of rural folks, and know a lot about that life, even though I don't live in the country now. Yup--got children and grandchildren, and as I said, I am pretty "well-versed" (pun intended) in the theology and practices of different kinds of Baptist churches. Know what else? I can shoot a fly off a can on a fencepost 20 yards away!

(Okay, maybe I'm not that good.)

But I still say there is something wierd about that camp idea. Maybe nothing inherently evil, but terribly unwise, somehow.

InPeace,
InLove

Vajradhara · 05-20-2005, 10:47 PM

Namaste Bandit,

thank you for the post.

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Originally Posted by Bandit

No, not even like that. It is all about spirit & in the spirit & learning how to walk in spirit, through faith & prayer & peace & studying the bible for victory in spirit through Jesus etc... where all you have to do is stand & God fights for us

. kind of hard to explain. I think it is learned over time.

Jihad has several meanings, depending on the context in which it is used. the normaitive use of the term is one of "internal spiritual struggle" to overcome negative personality traits and so forth.

so, in that sense, it seems the same.

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No raids, military action or Holy Wars or literal COMBAT.

perhaps. nevertheless, Jihad also contains the non literal combat aspect. some beings, however, believe that they can simply declare it as such and engage in physical conflict. these beings are mistaken.

Faithfulservant · 05-23-2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

cars are most definately used today to kill people quite often & on purpose.

So are airplanes :/