Cain's wife...thoughts?

[Bandit]

Certainly using outside sources is relevant & I am all for it until they contradict the scriptures. What scientist think they have discovered today can be washed down the tubes in the next discovery.

I dont even hold to all the History that is out there in other books, but I am still open to hearing. Gods ways are not our ways & His logic is not our Logic.
When we need physical proof for our beliefs (which is good concerning material), we still should be sure we are not looking at something different than walking by faith... & it is this way on purpose.

If He wants to stop the earth from spinning for a day & keep everything in tact, He can do it.

Noah did it by faith. He did not ask for proof.
I for one would have been there helping him instead of questioning him or mocking him, or waiting to see how much rain came down before I believed.

Even Jesus said, the blood of Abel would be required by this generation. & he also said an evil & adulterous generation shall seek for a sign & there will be no sign given...except for that of the prophet Jonah (paraphrased)

& Jesus is the only sign we are going to get.

The bible does not lie.

[JonMarc]

Originally Posted by Bandit

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Jesus is the only sign we are going to get.

The bible does not lie.

again i say...Amen brother.

i seek only to find an historical setting that makes sense to me, based off of what is, and is not, in the Bible.

[juantoo3]

Kindest Regards, Bandit and JonMarc!

Have I opened a can of worms?

At no time have I attempted to discredit the Bible, I accept its teachings as truth by which to guide my life. Some people are content not to question, that is fine, I really have no problem with that position. I understand how it can make a person's life and walk a whole lot easier to simply accept without question.

God made me to question. I have since I was a kid, and probably will for the rest of my life. If God is real, and I believe He is, then He can handle being questioned, if the questions are asked in the correct manner and with the right motivation. I cannot prove God exists, but my personal experiences lead me to believe He does, so in the end my questions are my meager attempt to "prove" His existence.

You are correct, in that in the final analysis, the important things are covered in the Bible, and the rest is superfluous and ultimately unimportant. I do not stay awake at night agonizing over these things. I realize I may be off base here and there, I am not trying to create a new doctrine. I am only trying to flesh out the old doctrine in an attempt to better understand. Questioning minds do these kinds of things.

In the world in which we now live, with so many "scientific," "rational" and "logical" attacks against the Bible, very many with evidence as proof that lead people to dismiss the Bible as myth, I find myself wanting to demonstrate that the Bible is not illogical or irrational, that there is factual evidence that corresponds to the Bible which reinforces my belief rather than undermining it. It does require a lot of effort, most people are more comfortable in one camp or the other, accepting without question either that the Bible is or is not "real," in the sense of truth vs. fact. Even if some portion of the Bible may possibly be myth, myth serves a very real purpose in human development and typically has some foundation in factual truth. (This is usually overlooked by scholarship, unless it directly serves their purpose at which time they are quick to remind of this) If myth has a basis in fact, then belief can be supported factually, and spirit can be argued to be a reality. IMHO, anyway.

There is much we do not know. There is much religion does not know, just as there is much science does not know. As a person, an individual, I intuitively and experiencially know things that I cannot prove with either religion or science. But to the extent that I can with what is known, I try to harmonize science and religion. A futile effort perhaps, but it makes for a hobby to keep me out of trouble.

[InLove]

Hi and Peace--

Lots of interesting speculation here! I don't think God minds, JonMarc, as long as we don't lose sight of the heart of His Word.

I'd like to add a thought to the conversation, but let me preface it by saying it is just that--a thought. I am not saying it is the answer.

A couple of you have touched on this idea a little bit, but I'll expand a bit. I think it is important to remember that all through the Old Testament, God refers to the Hebrew people as His "chosen" people. Of course, as a Christian, I believe that the main purpose for this was to preserve and record the bloodline of the Messiah. But I have often thought that there might also be a subsequent, yet related, reason for it--that being simply that it is through the Hebrew lineage that God chose to tell the story of humankind. This could allow for the other races, especially when we realize how ancient the original language we are attempting to interpret really is, and how a term like "all life" might have come down through the ages with a different spin here and there. Now before anyone gets upset.....remember I said that this is only speculation.

I believe the Word of God is inspired and guarded by God. I do not believe that God would let something happen to change the core Truth of His message--and even if He did allow it, He would not hold those misled by it accountable. This may sound crazy to some, but I believe that it is both literal and symbolic. ( LOL--I know, here I go again with all that connection between Spirit and logic.) I believe it is layered, allegorical, symbolic, literal and true--after all, I believe God created literature, and His is like none other, because He is God.

Anyway, just thought I would toss this out here--seemed like the right place.

(Oh, I almost forgot--Q? What about Esther, Rahab, Magdalene, Deborah (not Rachel's handmaid--the other one), and others like Dorcas and Priscilla? Perhaps I just am not understanding what you are saying--might be an interesting thread in itself.)

InPeace,
InLove

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by InLove

(Oh, I almost forgot--Q? What about Esther, Rahab, Magdalene, Deborah (not Rachel's handmaid--the other one. I might not understand what you are saying--might be an interesting thread in itself.)

InPeace,
InLove

All played important parts in our Biblical history, as help meets or (helpmates).

However, you are correct, my orginal post doesn't belong here, it's off topic.

v/r

Q

[InLove]

Hmmm--I see what you mean, Q, I think. LOL--"Off-topic" is my job, though!

InPeace,
InLove

[Quahom1]

We are not told at what age, Cain and Able began to sacrifice the fruits of their respective labors to God. We are told that Adam and Eve had many children in the 900 plus years of their lives.

If Adam and Eve were perfect in form (no dna defects), then the children they bore would most likely carry the same flawless DNA sequences. Their children could intermarry without fear of passing on or compounding a DNA defect. Therefore expansion over the Earth of a population of Humans could be quite rapid within a thousand years time (or even 500 years time). It seems to me that the "DNA defects" began about the time that the Nephilim came into being, which we are told eventually corrupted the entire Human race...

A foreign DNA was introduced into the Human gene pool. We became bodily corrupted.

Something to consider...

v/r

Q

[wil]

ba-bump

[Alex P]

As I mentioned on an Islamic thread... WHAT IF! What if Adam is the male population and Eve the female population? Perhaps it wasn't just two...

[bananabrain]

i think the standard jewish answer to this is that it was his sister, which was all very well at the beginning pre-noachide period, but that that doesn't mean anyone else is allowed to marry his sister. jacob married two sisters and that isn't allowed either.

i think Q's explanation is also a very creative response and one i shall look into further. remember, adam's an archetype/primordial construct, so the logistics of how exactly this might have worked aren't really terribly important unless of course you're a biblical literalist, but then again y'all know what i think about literalism and the Creation stories, so i won't launch that particular torpedo yet again.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Still thinking]

Originally Posted by Alex P

As I mentioned on an Islamic thread... WHAT IF! What if Adam is the male population and Eve the female population? Perhaps it wasn't just two...

Interesting thought. The way I saw it, we obviously will never know for sure, but couldn't God have created more than just one man and one woman? Perhaps Adam was the first man, and Eve the first woman, but who's to say there weren't more men and women created by God after them?

[LeoSalinas22]

greetings to all,

i just wanted to add a verse from the Book of Jasher.

Jasher 1:12 And the Lord God drove them that day from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which they were taken, and they went and dwelt at the east of the garden of Eden; and Adam knew his wife Eve and she bore two sons and three daughters.

i have read the first few chapters of this book and let me say it is amazing because it fills in gaps that are not mentioned in Genesis. and on top of that, the book itself is mentioned in the book of Joshua and i can't remember if its in 1st or 2nd of Samuel. maybe the book of Jasher has been covered on this forum already or maybe there is something that discredits it. i don't know, but it is an amazing read and should be given a chance! just something to consider. thanks for reading and God bless you.

[mee]

Originally Posted by JonMarc

now.... where did cain's wife come from? cain was created, then able, then the murder, then the banishment, when did another woman come into play here?

Cain and His Wife

Where did he get her? From another human race? When were they married? Was their relationship incestuous?

ALL Bible readers are familiar with the fact that Cain was the first man to be born on earth. He was the firstborn son of Adam and Eve, whom God had created directly.—Gen. 4:1.


The Bible account records the creation of Adam and Eve, and their sin. (Gen. 2:7, 21, 22; 3:1-6)

It describes God’s sentence of death upon them and their expulsion from the garden of Eden. (Gen. 3:14-19)

God told Eve, however, that she would bring forth children.—Gen. 3:16.


Abel was the second boy born. (Gen. 4:2)

The Scriptures are very brief and condensed in this early account, but they supply all that we need to know.

They tell us that the two boys grew up, each to pursue his own profession or occupation. Cain chose what is the oldest of all professions—farming—while Abel became a sheepherder. This implies the lapse of a good number of years.


So the account reveals: "It came about at the expiration of some time" that the two men brought offerings before God to gain his favor. (Gen. 4:3, 4)

We note also that when Seth, the third named son, was born, his mother Eve viewed him as a replacement for Abel. (Gen. 4:25) Adam was 130 years old at the time of Seth’s birth

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This indicates that there could well have been a number of other children of Adam by that time, including daughters.

The Bible’s silence as to the names of Adam’s daughters presents no difficulty, since the birth of daughters was rarely mentioned and they were only occasionally named in the genealogical lists. But the Bible does actually tell us, in its summary of Adam’s life, that "he became father to sons and daughters."—Gen. 5:4, 5.




Where did Cain get his wife? Adam "became father to sons and daughters." (Genesis 5:4) So Cain took one of his sisters or perhaps one of his nieces as a wife. Later, God’s Law to the Israelites did not permit the marriage of a fleshly brother and sister.—Leviticus 18:9.

[Pico]

Originally Posted by JonMarc

adam and eve cast out of paradise. cain is born. able is born. cain slays able. cain is cast away from god, but marked so that he should not be slain lest he be avenged seven fold. cain takes a wife, and knows her, creating enoch. a city is built and named after enoch. so on down cain's line to lamech, then begins the geneology of adam and the story of noah.

now.... where did cain's wife come from? cain was created, then able, then the murder, then the banishment, when did another woman come into play here?

I do not an will not ever again compromise the Word of God.

We can see in Gen 5:4 that Adam had "other sons and daughters." Cain married his sister. It doesn't say that Cain was banished before he had any sister to marry, nor does it say when he took a wife. Only that he had a wife. Gen 4 is just the account of Cain killing Abel. Adam and Eve had other children at that time, too.