can we agree that tormenting people for all time is wrong no matter what? - Page 6

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

so should I be able to spot christians now, since they have been radically transformed?

Yeah dude. They don't do what they use to...and they don't judge you for what you do. But if you stopped typing and started reading, you might pick up more...of what people have been trying to express to you.

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Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

I still dont buy that human beings deserve eternal torment.

I don't buy your take on 'let it be' either.

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Silent Dave

Well most atheists are WILLING to believe in God, given ample evidence, but one could hardly say that they have faith in God.

If atheists have deliberately and knowingly hardened their hearts toward and turned away from God, should they not have turned away from his moral precepts as well? How is it that Satan led atheists away from God but not away from his rules?

Doesn't it make more sense to suppose your theology is a bit flawed?

Faith is the belief in things as yet unseen, and the hope for things that have yet to be.

No, atheists aren't willing to believe in anything but self. However, scripture states that only a fool says there is no God...

And to one who says there is nothing, there is no debate that can convince them otherwise.

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Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

so why did he create the rif raf in the firstplace?

and what would make one rif raf choose god and another not. it seems the choice is totally random or something. something about this whole dynamic isnt adding up

He didn't...we did.

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Glad you know him so well. always good to have friends in HIGH places

Tao

...you have no idea...

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

so he enjoys punishing them? if not, why does he do it? wouldnt it be better to forgive the rif raf? arent you rif raf without jesus vouching for you.

what makes you rif raf different from the other rif raf?

Are you looking for my perspective?, or scripture that states "all fall short of the glory of God"...

I'm sure you've read that before, but do you know what it means? It means every human on earth is flawed. We're good, we're bad, we're glad, we're mad, but we all fail in perfection dude. Every last one of us.

And the only way to get past "jail" get $200.00 and go past GO, is by grace.

There but for the grace of God go I...here I go.

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shadowman · 07-17-2007, 05:35 AM

yes, I get that. so what?

so what if we arent perfect.

god shouldnt bother creating things if it means he has to hold them in a state of misery and torment for all time. it is irresponsible.

shadowman · 07-17-2007, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

I don't buy your take on 'let it be' either.

look, are you saying etwernal punishment is ok? why do you view human beings as so worthless that "god" can just go run around not appearing, and then have major say over what our eternal fate is.

but to clarify: you think eternal torment of human beings is ok right?

my state is this. if he wants to forgive us, or give us sin free life, or treat us to eternal paradise, he should bloody do it. "HIS WAY" includes people in hell ,and thats not a perfect plan. perfection is every human being saved.

shadowman · 07-17-2007, 05:39 AM

and he made us like this, falling short etc...... this is all utter lunacy.

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

yes, I get that. so what?

so what if we arent perfect.

god shouldnt bother creating things if it means he has to hold them in a state of misery and torment for all time. it is irresponsible.

Oh, then God should have created nothing...according to Shadowman...

I'll be sure to tell Him that dude, next time I pray to Him (in about 15 minutes).

lol

Quahom1 · 07-17-2007, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shadowman

and he made us like this, falling short etc...... this is all utter lunacy.

No...what you are stating is utter lunacy. you don't know what you are talking about. and you are lucky God is a kind being. Hope for you yet Shadow...

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soma · 07-17-2007, 08:23 PM

Hell is a doctrine that Christians with big egos foster to make themselves feel superior. I understand that they need this doctrine to sell our God and make him better than other Gods. May their faith take them deeper so they understand love and God's mercy. I am a Christian and pray that they realize that there is only one God so competition is not necessary. May we learn from non-Christians to accept and love all our brothers and sisters.

Tao_Equus · 07-19-2007, 10:40 AM

this guy is sick and needs reporting to the authorities

Thomas · 07-19-2007, 11:54 AM

Shadowman, you have now crossed a boundary - the clip is pornography.

I'm with Tao_Equus in this. Moderators, please take note.

Thomas

brucegdc · 07-19-2007, 12:38 PM

Note taken. Post removed. For future reference, hitting the triangular warning sign will allow any user to report a post for violation of the Code of Conduct

.... Bruce