catholics

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Poor Bangler made his/her first post and Karim his second post and they are subjected to your touretes bit (no offense to people who really do suffer from touretes). When is someone going to make a smilie that blows raspberries?

Never mind 17th guys, he is a sweetie at heart, just has a verbal communication problem sometimes (and is a bit of an attention seeker when he feels out of the pie - but then who isn't) LOL

There are no communication problems here.... He took an oath to god as a catholic and now complains.... There is a stupidity problem here.... How am I an attention seeker, for just acting how I act, which tends to be -very- different than the trend/norm of this site, which of course will make me stand out, but pft I am not one to blend in and change who I is.....

But ok... Bangler.... Welcome, to the site..... *tries to smile but fails terribly than offers you a thumbs up instead.*

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by pattimax

And if you ARE speaking of me, why is that significant?

Never mind, Muslim women, I think I see who you are talking about.

M.W.-Why do you feel it necessary to defend a one-time poster and in doing so put down an established member who is expressing a valid point of view?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Please explain. When you make an assinine statement as your first (and possibly only) post, I don't think they expect anything less. Actually it is kind of defenseless.

I am delighted to hear that you are the judge of what can and cannot be defended, your sainthood is no doubt in the post. But for us mere mortals, many people convert to a new religion and it is only after they convert they see that not all is as it first seemed. You may love going to mass and feel uplifted and thoroughly awake but just because someone else is honest enough to say they find it boring does not make their comment assanine.

Originally Posted by pattimax

My name is Karen. I am not sure what you are saying. (or maybe they are unrelated and your talking about something else.) As of this writing, it (no offense, just un sure) has only posted once.

The post I referred to was by Karim, so I was not talking to or about you. It is nice to know your name but is the first time I have heard it, so was unaware you may think I was talking about or to you.

I was talking to 17th, which is why I quoted his post. IMHO Bangler has been baptised into a new religion and is struggling to find his way, as most converts do. We (converts) study for our new role and enjoy all the joys that it brings, the promise of fulfullment. Yet, what we often fail to appreciate is that the hard work begins after conversion. Maybe Bangler came to CR to get support and a better understanding of his new faith? Should this not then be met with patience, support and understanding?

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

There are no communication problems here.... He took an oath to god as a catholic and now complains.... There is a stupidity problem here.... How am I an attention seeker, for just acting how I act, which tends to be -very- different than the trend/norm of this site, which of course will make me stand out, but pft I am not one to blend in and change who I is.....

But ok... Bangler.... Welcome, to the site..... *tries to smile but fails terribly than offers you a thumbs up instead.*

You are such a hoot. (I know I am an old fuddy duddy). I love that you are different and speak your mind, I just can't help defending the underdog - it's in my nature. How is there a stupidity problem? There are things in my new faith that I struggle with, it does not invalidate my commitment to Allah, it just means I am human. Hey hats off to the guy/girl for honesty, let's be honest most rituals can be boring.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by pattimax

M.W.-Why do you feel it necessary to defend a one-time poster and in doing so put down an established member who is expressing a valid point of view?

So is a one time posters view less valid than anyone else?

The answer is that I will always defend the underdog, no matter what age, colour, religion, etc, it is just who I am.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by BANGLER

I have recently been baptised into the catholic way of life,Now i go to church every sunday and i find it utterly boring,i cant stop yawning!What do other people think?

Hi Bangler and welcome to CR!

Why not say hello in the introductions forum and look around the site. There's all sorts of people here and everything under the sun gets talked about, not all of it utterly boring I hope! I'm not a Catholic, I'm just saying hello!

Snoopy.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

So is a one time posters view less valid than anyone else?

The answer is that I will always defend the underdog, no matter what age, colour, religion, etc, it is just who I am.

Actually, a one time poster with pre-concieved point of view is not near as valid as a long time member with a legitimate observation.

I do apologize for the name confusion. I did post 2nd, I did not know you did not know my name, and I have been mistaken for that name in the past.

I realize you were talking to 17th, but I was talking to you-- this is a public forum. If you want one on one, try pm. What he said was valid, what you said was not, in fact it was a little tacky. At least I thought so.

Under-dog defense is admirable, but sometimes the underdog is not an under dog at all...saints can figure this out. (All Christians are saints.)

This is the valid point of view that I was referring to:

I think in the christian faith baptism is like a contract lol... An agreement between the person and jesus... Something you shouldn't enter into lightly.... I think you should figure out what you are about before making false half assed commitments....

BTW- I don't go to mass.
Sincerely,
Karen the Baptist

[dauer]

let's be honest most rituals can be boring.

There's a wonderful yiddish song about this I've been trying to remember for three years. :O

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Actually, a one time poster with pre-concieved point of view is not near as valid as a long time member with a legitimate observation.

That is quite the assumption there Karen, how do you know from Banglers post that he/she has any pre-conceived ideas? All that was said is that they found mass boring, heavens above I can easily fall asleep in friday prayers, all that monotone droning. And who are you to say what is and is not a valid point of view? We all have a right to a view, Bangler his/hers and 17th his, oh and even muslim women have a right to a view, it does not make one more valid than the other.

Originally Posted by pattimax

I realize you were talking to 17th, but I was talking to you-- this is a public forum. If you want one on one, try pm. What he said was valid, what you said was not, in fact it was a little tacky. At least I thought so.

You are welcome to your opinion. I worded my response to 17th in a way that I thought he would appreciate, given his sense of humour. But isn't that half the fun of public forums, we can have different views and disagree with each other but still remain friends.

Originally Posted by pattimax

Under-dog defense is admirable, but sometimes the underdog is not an under dog at all...saints can figure this out. (All Christians are saints.)

Well perhaps I am wrong but I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until I get to know them a little.

LMAO, so now you have the attributes of G-d, hey your promotional system is staggering.

Originally Posted by pattimax

BTW- I don't go to mass.

Well that is probably a good thing because apparently they are reeeaaaly boring.

Salaam

[Muslimwoman]

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[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

That is quite the assumption there Karen, how do you know from Banglers post that he/she has any pre-conceived ideas? All that was said is that they found mass boring, heavens above I can easily fall asleep in friday prayers, all that monotone droning. And who are you to say what is and is not a valid point of view? We all have a right to a view, Bangler his/hers and 17th his, oh and even muslim women have a right to a view, it does not make one more valid than the other.

Lest we forget,
Banglers original post:

I have recently been baptised into the catholic way of life,Now i go to church every sunday and i find it utterly boring,i cant stop yawning!What do other people think?

My reason for assuming a preconception: he hasn't really given it time before he goes publicly declaring it boring.

I reserve the right to call people on points of view regardless of their percieved validity (oh and if you are wondering the reason I put your name in bold on my first post was so it would catch your eye.)

[Muslimwoman]

[quote=KarimK;113140]My reason for assuming a preconception: he hasn't really given it time before he goes publicly declaring it boring.[quote]

But he/she is not saying they knew it was going to be boring before they attended mass, only that having attended they personally found it boring. That is a statement of their experience not a preconception.

Originally Posted by KarimK

I reserve the right to call people on points of view regardless of their percieved validity (oh and if you are wondering the reason I put your name in bold on my first post was so it would catch your eye.)

We all reserve the right to call people on points of view, isn't that what discussion is but that does not mean that our view is any more or less valid than theirs.

Ah that is the problem with age, the eyesight starts to go

[pattimax]

The opinion was concieved that church was boring before he gave it a chance, thus it was preconcieved. LOL! I'm joking.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by pattimax

The opinion was concieved that church was boring before he gave it a chance, thus it was preconcieved. LOL! I'm joking.

There is a time limit on finding something boring, now that is very bad news, I have sat through some really boring lectures and it is the only way I can catch up on some sleep or write my shopping list.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

You are such a hoot. (I know I am an old fuddy duddy). I love that you are different and speak your mind, I just can't help defending the underdog - it's in my nature. How is there a stupidity problem? There are things in my new faith that I struggle with, it does not invalidate my commitment to Allah, it just means I am human. Hey hats off to the guy/girl for honesty, let's be honest most rituals can be boring.

Because if you are inclined to religion... Most of it, is for real to you, so baptisim is thee THEE most important bit I believe... jesus was baptised and took on his role as saviour.... Others now are baptised to start a "new life" new leaf whatever... You are washed clean from your old ways and have taken on a contract with your god saying this is what I believe is right, this is what I am going to do and here I stand before you ready to accept this... I think mucho mucho research and self searching should happen before making that kind of comittment.

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

So is a one time posters view less valid than anyone else?

When I am the other poster? Hell yeah.