Censorship and the constitution

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

This is from a source I trust: snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

I'm backing off now.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

This is how it usually is. We decide what we trust and try to get the rest of the world to bend to it. We refuse to admit another side and prefer censorship to defend our line of thought. It is the basis of selective morality that leads to the ill founded notion of political correctness. Is it any wonder that it must lead to the horrors that it does?

[Netti-Netti]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

This is how it usually is. We decide what we trust and try to get the rest of the world to bend to it. We refuse to admit another side and prefer censorship to defend our line of thought. It is the basis of selective morality that leads to the ill founded notion of political correctness. Is it any wonder that it must lead to the horrors that it does?

This adds nothing to an understanding of the issues and involves pure speculation and fear mongering.

Much as you have tied to frame this as a political bias issue, this is a matter of law. Your tendency to confuse these areas provides clues as to your propagandistic intent.

Again, to the best of my knowledge, there have been no rulings in this matter at all except to dismiss a flimsy lawsuit and appeal by Philip Berg.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

This adds nothing to an understanding of the issues and involves pure speculation and fear mongering.

Much as you have tied to frame this as a political bias issue, this is a matter of law. Your tendency to confuse these areas provides clues as to your propagandistic intent.

Again, to the best of my knowledge, there have been no rulings in this matter at all except to dismiss a flimsy lawsuit and appeal by Philip Berg.

The law it seems states that the people do not have a right to know if a person meets the qualifications to be president. They don't have standing. Yet anyone with half a brain knows that no one spends over a million dollars to hide their birth certificate if there is nothing to hide pertaining to the question of eligability. So the bottom line is that this is such a dangerous question that only a few have the guts to confront it. If and when the worst happens it will be the mindsets like those like yours and a certain mod here that will be partially responsible.

The same thing happened with the mortgage crisis. Loans were given because it was politicaly correct to do so but knowing full well increasing expenses in energy and taxes would make them impossible to pay back. So we were politically correct and now in an economic crisis. You can be PC all you like. I prefer to be realistic for the sake of the constitution and the probable loss of life if Obama were proven unqualified and removed.

[Netti-Netti]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

The law it seems states that the people do not have a right to know if a person meets the qualifications to be president. They don't have standing. Yet anyone with half a brain knows that no one spends over a million dollars to hide their birth certificate if there is nothing to hide pertaining to the question of eligability. So the bottom line is that this is such a dangerous question that only a few have the guts to confront it. If and when the worst happens it will be the mindsets like those like yours and a certain mod here that will be partially responsible.

The same thing happened with the mortgage crisis. Loans were given because it was politicaly correct to do so but knowing full well increasing expenses in energy and taxes would make them impossible to pay back. So we were politically correct and now in an economic crisis. You can be PC all you like. I prefer to be realistic for the sake of the constitution and the probable loss of life if Obama were proven unqualified and removed.

This adds nothing to a legal analysis of the Constitutional issue under consideration.

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by Netti-Netti

This adds nothing to a legal analysis of the Constitutional issue under consideration.

True, but it suggests how much politics is under the influence of ignorance and corruption. How could The DNC support someone hiding evidence? Now that it has it is stuck and can only hope the truth if revealed that obama is not qualified, never comes out. Nice way to respect the constitution which should be primary to politics. Fat chance.

[earl]

This is 1 way to "reincarnate" a closed thread Nick. earl

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by earl

This is 1 way to "reincarnate" a closed thread Nick. earl

But the thread is no longer closed so hasn't been reincarnated into another. Apparently someone stepped out of the choir long enough to see the foolishness of closing it.

[kiwimac]

I am still asking if you are asserting that:

"…Health Director Chiyome Fukino said she and the vital statistics registrar viewed and verified Obama's birth certificate...."

are both lying about President-Elect Obama's BC?

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

I am still asking if you are asserting that:

"…Health Director Chiyome Fukino said she and the vital statistics registrar viewed and verified Obama's birth certificate...."

are both lying about President-Elect Obama's BC?

They both have viewed something but do not say what they have viewed. It doesn't mean that Obama was even born in Hawaii but just a record of his birth by those having been a resident. Do you really expect them to say someting incriminating? That is political suicide.

You keep thinking that this is a racial issue but just ask yourself why anyone spould spend over a million dolllars not to show their BC. The real arrogance is Obama's. Either he is just being stubborn or he is a fraud. Why not make everyone's life easier and just reveal something most are proud of? This is not a legal matter as much as one of ethics. If one supports the constitution they live by its rules regardless of color.

[Netti-Netti]

Originally Posted by Nick_A

I got an PM this morning announcing that the Obama thread is closed and that I am beating a dead horse.

One might almost get the impression that the moderator got tired of looking at the thread and that's why they closed it down, not because you post personal insults (e.g., characterizations of other forum members as racist cowards) or because you post falsehoods.

Originally Posted by Nick_A

If one supports the constitution they live by its rules regardless of color.

I suspect the judge who dismissed Berg's law suit understands that. I also suspect the judge probably knows a little more about legal integrity and lawful procedure than you do. Your unwillingness to accept the judge's rulings is duly noted. I look forward to your next installment on Obama's "arrogance."

Silly.

[Nick_A]

[quote=Netti-Netti;172825]One might almost get the impression that the moderator got tired of looking at the thread and that's why they closed it down, not because you post personal insults (e.g., characterizations of other forum members as racist cowards) or because you post falsehoods.


I suspect the judge who dismissed Berg's law suit understands that. I also suspect the judge probably knows a little more about legal integrity and lawful procedure than you do. Your unwillingness to accept the judge's rulings is duly noted. I look forward to your next installment on Obama's "arrogance."

Silly.[/quote

Now I'm insulted. You forgot that I also kick dogs, push little old ladies down the stairs, and pinch the behinds of cute young ladies. Is there no end to my lack of political correctness? No. But I don't like being minimized. villians have their reputation to maintain as well. Sheesh

[kiwimac]

They both have viewed something but do not say what they have viewed.

So you missed this bit?: "…Health Director Chiyome Fukino said she and the vital statistics registrar viewed and verified Obama's birth certificate…"

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

So you missed this bit?: "…Health Director Chiyome Fukino said she and the vital statistics registrar viewed and verified Obama's birth certificate…"

Obama didn't have to be born in Hawaii to have a record of his birth if the parents wanted it. Isn't it odd that no hospital has come out and said he was born there. If you can get out of racist mode, you will see that there are many contradictions and unanswered questions which lefty like this is nothing but a direct attack on the constitution.

The simple solution is to avoid spending the second million concealing this document and just release it for the benefit of everyone. If he does it during the inaguration I will say better late than never.

[kiwimac]

Are you seriously saying that his Birth Certificate is NOT his Birth Certificate? And that the officials charged with ensuring the legality of such records would a: not know the difference and b: lie?

[Nick_A]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

Are you seriously saying that his Birth Certificate is NOT his Birth Certificate? And that the officials charged with ensuring the legality of such records would a: not know the difference and b: lie?

All they said is that they have an original of something. They didn't say that it was proof of eligability. Remember this is a political hot potato and people want to be as vague as possible.

However, would you spend a million dollars not to reveal your birth certificate?