changes on the earth - Page 3

Curios Mike · 07-25-2005, 12:39 PM

Heres some scripture you guys might be interested in.

John 20:24-29
24 Now Thomas, called the Twin, one of the twelve, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 The other disciples therefore said to him, "We have seen the Lord." So he said to them, "Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe." 26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" 27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing." 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" 29 Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."
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Rev 3:11-12
12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. And I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.
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Rev 21:1-4
21:1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
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1 Cor 15:51-58
51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed-- 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
55 "O Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?"
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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OK Maybe what we think of angels/spirits are not correct. When we think of a spirit we think ghostly, but maybe its not as it seems. Maybe you can touch angel/spirit. Some compelling arguements would be about the nephelim (meaning fallen angels) and their offsprings(meaning men of valour, or Giants).

mee · 07-26-2005, 10:45 AM

what a wonderful hope the bible holds out,do you think that Jehovahs purpose for the people to live in an earthly paradise will ever be realized ?

Remember the first things of a long time ago, that I am the Divine One and there is no other God, nor anyone like me; the One telling from the beginning the finale, and from long ago the things that have not been done; the One saying, ‘My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do’; the One calling from the sunrising a bird of prey, from a distant land the man to execute my counsel. I have even spoken [it]; I shall also bring it in. I have formed [it], I shall also do it...Isaiah 46; 9-11

my word that goes forth from my mouth will prove to be. It will not return to me without results, but it will certainly do that in which I have delighted, and it will have certain success in that for which I have sent it Isaiah 55;11yes it was Gods original purpose that mankind live forever on the earth with no sickness and no death , his original purpose has not changed and it will come true

The righteous themselves will possess the earth

And they will reside forever upon it..psalm 37;11obviously this has not happened yet.people now get sick and die, they even fight and kill one another.something went wrong.surely,however,God did not purpose that the earth should be as we see it today.look how Jesus showed on a small scale how easy it will be to heal people in the coming paradise on earth. even to raise the dead ,Jesus showed us on a small scale what it will be like on a large scale when he will do away with sickness and death on the earth .wow what a wonderful hope from Gods word the bible .yes man was made the earth and Gods pupose will come true .i cant wait for that time .and even if we die , there is still the hope to live on the earth ,because of the resurrection hope .what a loving God to make the way out of sickness and death through Jesus christ
As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing 1 corinthians15;26

(Matthew 28:18) And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth

(1 Corinthians 15:25) For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feetyes Gods purpose will come true through his son Jesus christ

Curios Mike · 07-26-2005, 12:44 PM

"Jehovahs purpose for the people to live in an earthly paradise will ever be realized "

Whaaaahhh??? Do you mean this world With all the killings, murders, rapes, molestations, satanistics, homosexuality, anti God, anti Christ, wars, and rumors of wars runnig ramped. Or are we refering to the world to come?

Dont forget this scripture my brother:

2 Peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
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mee · 07-26-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Curios Mike

"Jehovahs purpose for the people to live in an earthly paradise will ever be realized "

Whaaaahhh??? Do you mean this world With all the killings, murders, rapes, molestations, satanistics, homosexuality, anti God, anti Christ, wars, and rumors of wars runnig ramped. Or are we refering to the world to come?

Dont forget this scripture my brother:

2 Peter 3:10-13
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
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yes thats the one a new heavenly rulership gods heavenly kingdom and a new earthly society of people

Curios Mike · 07-26-2005, 09:46 PM

Maybe I'm mistaken if I am please forgive me, but Its my understanding that you are a Jehovahs witness. If so it is also my understanding that They believe this has already happend? But not sure? Was I miss informed? And what is the main differencess between Jehovahs witness, and main stream Christianity? Not their simularities but differences?

mee · 07-27-2005, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Curios Mike

Maybe I'm mistaken if I am please forgive me, but Its my understanding that you are a Jehovahs witness. If so it is also my understanding that They believe this has already happend? But not sure? Was I miss informed? And what is the main differencess between Jehovahs witness, and main stream Christianity? Not their simularities but differences?

yes i am one of JW and the hope of paradise on the earth ,will be fullfilled. but at this point in time the earth as we know it is in the power of the wicked one (satan the devil)so as you said there is war,ect,ect,but it is the promice of God that the earth will be bought back to paradise conditions .the differences between JW and christendom is that JW have not taken on the manmade doctrine of the trinity. we believe what the bible says , that Jesus christ is the only begotten son of God the first born son of God.also we do not believe in the hellfire doctrine . we also do not believe in the immortality of the human soul as this is a Greek philosophy and not based on scripture.we believe that a limited number will be going to heaven to rule with christ as kings and priests.but the majority of people have the hope of living forever on a paradise earth forever .even those who are dead have the hope of a resurrection into a paradise earththere are other things that differ but that is the main things

Curios Mike · 07-27-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mee

JW have not taken on the manmade doctrine of the trinity. we believe what the bible says , that Jesus christ is the only begotten son of God the first born son of God.also we do not believe in the hellfire doctrine . we also do not believe in the immortality of the human soul as this is a Greek philosophy and not based on scripture.

Thats interesting I see some minor differences, but possibly one or 2 major! I've underlined the differences, and will show you the scriptures why I beleive in these doctorines, and try not to make baliteling remarks about your beliefs. I may not agree, but I respect them. Do you'll also believe in salvation? I guess what I'd like to know is what are the similarities.

1st off the trinity:
1 John 5:6-7
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
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Matt 28:19
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
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John 1:1-5
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
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2) Hell fire (I agree to an extend being that hell and the lake of fire are 2 different things)

Matt 5:22
22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire. NKJV (uhhh

Maybe their is fire and hell. This scripture is pretty clear. I may have to take back what I thought.)

Matt 13:41-42
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Matt 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
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Luke 16:23-24
23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.'
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I'll stop with that one, but their are alot of Scriptures that talk of hell, and fire, but their are the ones about the lake of fire where death and hell will be cast into those.(If you would lik eI'll post those on my next post.)

3)Last but not least Immortal souls:

1 Cor 15:51-54
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory."
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ohhh ps: Jesus christ is the only begotten son of God Yes we believe this also.

So theirs one similarity... what are the others? Do yall believe in salvation, Holy spirit, .....whatelse?

mee · 07-27-2005, 07:09 PM

yes ,they are major differences and i think i am correct in saying that JW are the only ones that do not believe in the immortality of the soul. this belief has hidden the true fact that we were not given a soul but we are a soul .yes we have to dig a bit deeper to not go along with the rest

Curios Mike · 07-28-2005, 04:04 PM

Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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1 Thess 5:23
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Anyways back on subject: Would changes on the earth include politics, wars, and a small chip called a very chip?

mee · 07-29-2005, 01:30 PM

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Heb 4:12
12 For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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1 Thess 5:23
23 Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Anyways back on subject: Would changes on the earth include politics, wars, and a small chip called a very chip?

changes that come about through Gods kingdom goverment will involve the political element as there will only be one Goverment world wide , with Jesus as king of that Goverment Daniel 2;44 and the bible tells us that we will learn war nomore so there will be no war either
And he will certainly render judgment among many peoples, and set matters straight respecting mighty nations far away. And they will have to beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. They will not lift up sword, nation against nation, neither will they learn war anymore. And they will actually sit, each one under his vine and under his fig tree, and there will be no one making [them] tremble; for the very mouth of Jehovah of armies has spoken it...micah 4;3-4i know i am a bit thick but what are you refering to when you say chip are you refering to money

Curios Mike · 07-29-2005, 03:13 PM

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i know i am a bit thick but what are you refering to when you say chip are you refering to money

VeriChip ID Implant (you know mark of the beast type stuff) Which Brings me to another question you do know that Lucifer will rules this world rebuild the temple of God and sit on the thrown before the millinial rien right? The reason why I ask is that I Would hate to see someone decieved into thinking Satan is God, and take this mark... After you do this their is no coming back to God!.....

Rev 13:12-18
13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
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Rev 14:9-12
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
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mee · 07-29-2005, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Curios Mike

VeriChip ID Implant (you know mark of the beast type stuff) Which Brings me to another question you do know that Lucifer will rules this world rebuild the temple of God and sit on the thrown before the millinial rien right? The reason why I ask is that I Would hate to see someone decieved into thinking Satan is God, and take this mark... After you do this their is no coming back to God!.....

Rev 13:12-18
13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. 15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.
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Rev 14:9-12
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
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yes the book of revelation is happening right now in the Lords day, the Lords day started in 1914 when he (Jesus)was made King of Gods heavenly kingdom .thrilling times indeed, revelation is full of sybolism ,it has a lot to do with the Anglo-American world power,also the league of nations,and the united nationsand all of these things are happening right now while Satan is the ruler of this world.

Curios Mike · 07-29-2005, 04:05 PM

So you dont believe in the anti-Christ..... meaning the man of sin being revealed? Or the mark of the beast? So if someone comes along and does great miracles and has great morals and sets up peace on earth, you will believe this to be God?

mee · 07-30-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Curios Mike

So you dont believe in the anti-Christ..... meaning the man of sin being revealed? Or the mark of the beast? So if someone comes along and does great miracles and has great morals and sets up peace on earth, you will believe this to be God?

did i say i did not believe in the anti-christ or the man of lawlessness or the mark of the beast
Antichrist means against or instead of Christ. The term applies to all who deny what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, all who oppose his Kingdom, and all who mistreat his followers. It also includes individuals, organizations, and nations that falsely claim to represent Christ or that improperly ascribe to themselves the role of Messiah