Changing Sexual Orientation Is Possible, New Research Says - Page 10

Quahom1 · 10-18-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by greymare

ahhhh, so the love is ok but the act (sex) is not? for me, I dont actually feel strongly one way or another about this issue (homosexuality re:bible) I'm just of the strong feeling that Love in this form cannot be Bad. As far as the act goes, (sex) to each his or her own. There are some things that people do in the privacy of their bedrooms, that I dont want to know about. and vice versa, I'm sure. Loving is better than Hateing. love the Grey

No, listen to me. I say, keep one's mouth shut about their personal relationships. I judge not, but I get very angry when someone else tells me I should accept what I think to be un-natural. I will accept what I choose.

And I really take offense when said same advocates for a relationship that will be a detriment to the rest of the country, demand same "marital" rights in insurance and such...it would bankrupt the insurance companies, or drive "married families" to give up insurance...

Do you see where I am coming from, and the truth behind this push for same sex unions? Can't have kids in same sex unions, but the family of husband/wife and two children, could end up not having insurance, because they can't afford it...trust me, I've done my home work on this.

Andrew, well he just wants what he wants, and could care less about the rest of the world...he's already said so several times.

I look out for my neighbor, as well as myself. My neighbor has three small ones, mine are full grown...but I'm getting older...

greymare · 10-18-2007, 08:06 AM

settle petal. What I have posted is MY OPINION. and in no way have I meant to try to change your way of thinking. I respect it. Please take a deep breath, and calm down. please.
Obviously I havent researched IT at all. because it is just my humble opinion. Insurance and the detrement of society as we know it is far too big a problem for me to comment on. I am not as educated as you but I am no less a person and YES I got the idea that you were YELLING at me. Dont like it , wont take it. and by the way having never been married and never having insurance doesnt make me any less a person than you. You started this, by the way, your neighbour, its great that you look out for them, what would you do Q, if one of th;ose boys was GAY.

Quahom1 · 10-18-2007, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by greymare

settle petal. What I have posted is MY OPINION. and in no way have I meant to try to change your way of thinking. I respect it. Please take a deep breath, and calm down. please.
Obviously I havent researched IT at all. because it is just my humble opinion. Insurance and the detrement of society as we know it is far too big a problem for me to comment on. I am not as educated as you but I am no less a person and YES I got the idea that you were YELLING at me. Dont like it , wont take it. and by the way having never been married and never having insurance doesnt make me any less a person than you. You started this, by the way, your neighbour, its great that you look out for them, what would you do Q, if one of th;ose boys was GAY.

What they may or may not be is irrelevant... I have saved lives, from all over the world, and got their blood into me while doing so, never thought twice about it at the time. So I think my value of humanity is quite well established.

I'm not yelling at anyone. (except Andrew). I considered your post as devil's advocate, and answered it as such.

If in error...mea culpa.

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Q

greymare · 10-18-2007, 08:19 AM

if I am the devils advocate, the devil being Andrew, then yes i'll be his advocate. He wouldnt want me , though because as I've said before I'm not that well educated. I will stand up for someone that is being picked on. Thats what I'm doing. thats what I do

Pathless · 10-18-2007, 08:22 AM

Devil's advocate? Did someone call my name? Let me step in for a second.

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

And I really take offense when said same advocates for a relationship that will be a detriment to the rest of the country, demand same "marital" rights in insurance and such...it would bankrupt the insurance companies, or drive "married families" to give up insurance...

Do you see where I am coming from, and the truth behind this push for same sex unions? Can't have kids in same sex unions, but the family of husband/wife and two children, could end up not having insurance, because they can't afford it...trust me, I've done my home work on this.

Yet Q, a similar point is argued by those who are for same-sex marriage. You are absolutely right, shared insurance is a benefit of being married. Why should insurance be an exclusive right, or easier to procure, because of one's heterosexuality?

Can't have kids in same-sex unions? That's nonsense. Many, many same-sex couples have children by adoption. That is the reality, whether it is offensive to you or not, Q. And those children as well as their parents deserve all the beneifts of a state-sanctioned union that are granted to heterosexual couples and their children.

Quahom1 · 10-18-2007, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by greymare

if I am the devils advocate, the devil being Andrew, then yes i'll be his advocate. He wouldnt want me , though because as I've said before I'm not that well educated. I will stand up for someone that is being picked on. Thats what I'm doing. thats what I do

Read his historical posts, before you decide to "advocate" on his behalf...he is known by several other names, "Tajasi" being one...

Quahom1 · 10-18-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Pathless

Devil's advocate? Did someone call my name? Let me step in for a second.

Yet Q, a similar point is argued by those who are for same-sex marriage. You are absolutely right, shared insurance is a benefit of being married. Why should insurance be an exclusive right, or easier to procure, because of one's heterosexuality?

Can't have kids in same-sex unions? That's nonsense. Many, many same-sex couples have children by adoption. That is the reality, whether it is offensive to you or not, Q. And those children as well as their parents deserve all the beneifts of a state-sanctioned union that are granted to heterosexual couples and their children.

No, what is "nonsense" is when teachers in school deliberately tell children they don't have to get married to have kids, and they can explore their sexuality when they are 13 or younger...that is nonsense. What is nonsense is when I have to "Physically" go into a classroom, remmove my child from said same morons who think they know better than me, and threaten a lawsuit to make it stick... That is nonsense. And NO, those same sex adults in a relationship DO NOT DESERVE ANYTHING. What they are trying to get is law that says they do...and they shove it in my face, and it makes me just angrier...and less willing to see their side of things...

Like I said, I have been really researching this little "game" of adult sex with whom, and it is more complex than you might imagine.

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Q

greymare · 10-18-2007, 08:34 AM

big deep breaths, before you bust something. ok? Q? CPR anyone?

Quahom1 · 10-18-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by greymare

big deep breaths, before you bust something. ok? Q? CPR anyone?

OK, I don't get it. Why is what I am saying "busting a nut", when what I am saying has been the way it's been forever?

No, I don't need to breathe.

I will listen to anyone, as long is it is not IN MY FACE. I'm not stupid. I know what will happen to the insurance industry (among other things). I know what will happen to the social fabric...

Maybe the rest aught to step back and take a hard look at what they are demanding...social suicide...

wil · 10-18-2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

And NO, those same sex adults in a relationship DO NOT DESERVE ANYTHING. What they are trying to get is law that says they do...and they shove it in my face, and it makes me just angrier...and less willing to see their side of things...

First casualty in Iraq, a homosexual soldier...served his country, died for his country....thought you'd be proud...too bad his partner doesn't deserve the same pittance any other surviving spouse would get...

You do need to take a breath...you are on the side of racism and segregation pre '60's, the tide is turning...all people deserve respect, and soon all partners will get the same benefits...insurance and otherwise.

The conspiracy that says it will kill the insurance companies, horse pucky...that is homophobia pure and simple....lets see, most businesses pay for the employee...and then the employee pays extra for spouse or more for spouse and family...and the insurance company still has the rights to reject people and pre-existing conditions...insurance companies always make out...like the casinos with their odds makers..they have actuaries...

Pathless · 10-18-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

No, what is "nonsense" is when teachers in school deliberately tell children they don't have to get married to have kids, and they can explore their sexuality when they are 13 or younger...that is nonsense. What is nonsense is when I have to "Physically" go into a classroom, remmove my child from said same morons who think they know better than me, and threaten a lawsuit to make it stick... That is nonsense. And NO, those same sex adults in a relationship DO NOT DESERVE ANYTHING. What they are trying to get is law that says they do...and they shove it in my face, and it makes me just angrier...and less willing to see their side of things...

Like I said, I have been really researching this little "game" of adult sex with whom, and it is more complex than you might imagine.

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Q

Holy ****, Q!! Now you are making me take greymare's advice. Deep breaths, deep breaths.

DO NOT DESERVE ANYTHING?? You really are a bigot.

That said, I'm sure you are not the only parent who dislikes what their children are being taught in public school. You have a short temper, and are more willing to physically (and from what I've seen on this forum for several years, verbally or type-writtenly) throw your weight around than some, and for whatever reasons, you feel entitled to do so. Apparently you are also unwilling to share the same privileges that you feel entitled to. When someone challenges you, you respond with a temper tantrum. Hey, I can sympathize with that. I get upset too and throw temper tantrums.

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

OK, I don't get it. Why is what I am saying "busting a nut", when what I am saying has been the way it's been forever?

All you are saying here is that you are upset that challenges are being made to the status quo. Beyond that, if you expand your point-of-view outside of white Judeo-Christian Western values, you will be confronted with the fact that it has not been the way it's been forever.

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Maybe the rest aught to step back and take a hard look at what they are demanding...social suicide...

Social suicide?? Hardly. Equal rights is social suicide, is that what you are telling us? Furthermore, are you telling us all that equal rights is social suicide because it will bankrupt insurance companies? Who gives a DAMN about insurance companies, Q, when we are talking about basic human rights? It comes down to a question of values. Do we value people more, or business? Human rights or profits? Equality or economy?

Didn't someone somewhere in American history have the audacity to claim that all "men" (which we have by now expanded to also include women, at least in theory

) are created equal? How then is it wrong to give people equal rights in marriage, regardless of sexual orientation?

AndrewX · 10-18-2007, 11:34 PM

Quahom ... in the words of the Fonz -- SIT ON IT!!!

Now I would just say -- S*** My M* F* D* ...

- but I know you'd just love to.

So I'll keep it in Happy Days language.

Nevertheless, you ARE a C-S ...

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Andrew, well he just wants what he wants, and could care less about the rest of the world...he's already said so several times.

And response to this ... F U, Q.
I care about the rest of the world, but if you drop of the face of it, I won't lose sleep over it.

greymare · 10-19-2007, 04:24 AM

eeeek. big deep breathes people, please. focus. .... stop beating your chest and acting all alpha male. ok. I dont agree (obviously) with your views on homosexuality BUT i am not trying to make you change your mind and agree with mine. So please, Q afford me the same respect. I'll leave this thread again, as I can not be of any use to it any more......

Andrew, come on buddy, I know you are cranky and frustrated by all of this and I apologise for upsetting you by adding to this discussion. but pllease, no need to swear,even though it was pretend swearing. You will only give fuel that you are not a good person and we know that isnt true. love the Grey

greymare · 10-19-2007, 04:26 AM

and one more thing....... pathless... good points, I wish I was as well versed as you in getting my point across. You can be the advocate, I'll just be happy to be the sidekick.

bob x · 10-19-2007, 06:42 PM

Q, domestic-partner benefits exist in many large states, and not a single insurance company has declared bankruptcy: they profit from us, as they profit from others, and in any case, as I'm sure you would be emphasizing in a different context, we are a small percentage of the populace.
That really has to be most absurd and inane argument I have heard on this topic in a very long time. Can't you step back a little and ask yourself why you allow yourself to believe any kind of absurdity, anything at all, as long as it feeds your hatred for us?