Christian Activists in Britain Protest New Gay Rights Law

[kenod]

Originally Posted by kiwimac

Homosexuality is not disordered, it occurs in all species, if were only a human traith then it would be arguable but it is not.

Animals do it ... yeah, that's a really good argument!

I find it fascinating the number of Christians who continually put homosexual people down, who demean them, argue that its "just about the sex." HOW THE HECK WOULD YOU KNOW? I have found most Christians quite unwilling to call a homosexual person their brother or sister in Christ, what a fine attitude that is!

I despise prejudice.

kiwimac

An unrepentant homosexual is not "in Christ".

The gay community insists that loving the person means accepting the behaviour. Christ never did.

It seems your definition of prejudice is "Christian standards based on Biblical teaching".

[Zagreus]

I would have to disagree with anyone, gay or straight, who insisted to me that I must condone, or approve of, ANY particular behaviour. But kenod, by your own definition then, a repentant (or penitent) homosexual would be "in Christ," just as you - through your own repentance, are likewise? If this is not so, then pray tell, clarify it ... please.

~Zagreus

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Zagreus

I would have to disagree with anyone, gay or straight, who insisted to me that I must condone, or approve of, ANY particular behaviour. But kenod, by your own definition then, a repentant (or penitent) homosexual would be "in Christ," just as you - through your own repentance, are likewise? If this is not so, then pray tell, clarify it ... please.
~Zagreus

There are many Christians who experience same sex attraction. Just as there are many Christian men who experience sexual attraction to some woman other than his wife. It is what you do about it that matters.

No one is immune from temptation. And Christians will sometimes give in to temptation. But Jesus Christ is always ready to forgive, and allow us to try again. For one person, sexual lust may be his weak point, for another it may be anger and temper, for another it may be lust for material wealth.

I do not discriminate against homosexuals in my private life. If I had a gay son, his partner would be just as welcome at my dinner table as my daughter's husband.

What I am opposed to is some churches teaching that homosexual practices are acceptable Christian behaviour.

[Zagreus]

Thanks for the clarification, kenod.

Pax cultura,

~Zag

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Loving unconditionally and allowing a continuation of an error is two different things. You say "what is the error?" And I say homosexual acts are the error. And the Bible says do not condone such behavior.

There is a difference also, between not condoning, and not allowing a continuation. The first is passive, the second is active and is also reminiscent of those pharisees ready to stone the adulterous woman.

[cavalier]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

I will point out again that Sparta had to declare a law, that every man had to lay with a woman in order to continue the state by way of children, else they would have become defunct. (they did anyway).

oh

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Originally Posted by kenod

Ok, I get it now ... it is just a stereotypical assumption that homosexuals want to have same sex relationships

My point is that people who discriminate against homosexuals (or against anyone, for that matter) never take the time to get to know that person as an individual, but see him/her as nothing more than "Ooh, a big, bad, homosexual, therefore bad and evil and go away." I am so much more than my sexual orientation.
I've used this quote in another thread recently, but it bears repeating: "There is this illusion that homosexuals only have sex and heterosexuals fall in love." - Boy George
That's what it is, and all that it is, an illusion that from the instant I came out of the closet, my career goals, likes and dislikes, sense of humor, relationship with my family, taste in music, all became subjugated to the one overwhelming fact that (dun-dun-DUNNNNNN) [big booming voice] I AM GAY.

I'd like to link to something I posted in another thread - the post I'm referring to is almost all the way down the third page.
http://www.comparative-religion.com/...vs-4933-3.html

Particularly this:

Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

Take a look at Matthew 8:5-13. Jesus didn't condemn homosexuals; how can anyone calling themselves His follower do the same?
But Jesus didn't say anything about the centurion's sin - on the contrary, He praised the man's faith and healed his servant. He didn't even say "Go, and sin no more," as He so often did.
I like to think that perhaps Jesus is talking about homosexuals in verse 11.

Originally Posted by kenod

The gay community insists that loving the person means accepting the behaviour. Christ never did.

kenod, see my quote above.

I also know very well that homosexuality has nothing to do with one's acceptance of Christ, certainly not in my case. Gee, why do I feel like I'm recycling all my old arguments?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by kenod

Animals do it ... yeah, that's a really good argument!

lol, but of course it is... When I got arrested for being naked in the street and running up to people of the opposite sex and sniffing their butts, I simply said "hey officer! My dog does it!!!"

[BlaznFattyz]

is what society is being asked to allow, is what society is protesting for the common good? where does that which goes against what many consider the natural order of things stop? who makes that call and what is it based on? in other words, if society breaks away from what many consider the traditional marriage between a man and a woman and the rights that go along with that, and society goes with marriage unions between a man and a man, where does this notion of allowing unions between loving partners end? think about polygamy. there was a court case just the other day where a child now has three parents. some people, from a humanistic point of view, use their character as a means to justify their actions, but the issue with humans making laws without god, is that it becomes all relative to who the majority is. that is why some countries have legal prostitution, other states allow polygamy, some countries allow marriage to 14 year olds, etc. so again i put out the question, is allowing gay rights for the common good of man, and is it in line with ethical and moral law that can be considered progress?

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

so again i put out the question, is allowing gay rights for the common good of man, and is it in line with ethical and moral law that can be considered progress?

Hi,

Yes and yes IMO.

s.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Snoopy

Hi,

Yes and yes IMO.

s.

could you expand on your answer?

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by kenod

Animals do it ... yeah, that's a really good argument!

Hi,

Well this fact does highlight that it is by definition natural. You know, as in naturally occurring.

Other mammalian species don't get accused of deciding to choose to engage in sinful behaviour do they?

s.

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

could you expand on your answer?

Hi,

If you insist!

I would say that the removal of what I consider to be a discrimination has got to be “for the common good”, “ethical and moral” and “progress” in the same way as it would be to ending a bar to women voting. As a generalisation, I’m in favour of equality of treatment and rights for all, irrespective of sex, race etc etc etc.

It is simply a principle that I believe in. Indeed the civil partnership law that has been passed in the UK now means that for me personally, I am being discriminated against. However, this is another day’s political battle which I reckon will come, and in time, change.

s.

[wil]

hmmmm the people voted....those they voted for passed a law...the people object....will they vote them out and vote in folks to repeal the law??

I guess that is the Christianity v. Democracy debate...

And presents the same issue that we have problems with in other nations...when Muslims, or Hindus or Jews rule...and they make their laws based on their books and discriminate against others...

hard to put the shoes on the righteous feet...

[kenod]

Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

My point is that people who discriminate against homosexuals (or against anyone, for that matter) never take the time to get to know that person as an individual, but see him/her as nothing more than "Ooh, a big, bad, homosexual, therefore bad and evil and go away." I am so much more than my sexual orientation.

There are some people who react emotionally with a feeling of disgust, and sometimes even hate. Jesus did not treat people that way ... nor do I.

I know a number of homosexual people quite well, and realize that they can have loving relationships. The person, and even the love they feel, are not what the Bible condemns.

Jesus condemned sexual immorality (Mat 15:19, Mark 7:21). You would have a difficult time trying to prove that he was condemning all sexual immorality except homosexuality since the OT contains very specific prohibition against same sex acts.

PS ... btw, there are no "gay centurions" in my Bible!