Christianity the only true religion?

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Yes, Had a great thanksgiving with the family and friends, thank you.

I hear what you are saying pattimax.

Love in Christ,
JM

Hey JM,
You say "you hear what I am saying", but to deny the humanity of Jesus makes Christianity meaningless.
you said,

I believe God was always here and doesn't need to come from somewhere to get to earth.

I don't believe you can whip, and spit on God. God is a spirit.

But if it were true, yes it would truly be amazing!

Spirits do not have blood. Do you deny Jesus' life, teachings, and miracles? Surely not. Do I misunderstand you?

Sincerely, pattimax

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Not even close. Christ existed before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye.

You are nothing without Christ. You certainly are not a force to be reckonned with on the Cosmic scale.


What arrogance...what a foolish notion. Because of you, Christ exists?

Joseph...is that what you really meant to say?

Joshua,

It is always best to read the entire paragraph for understanding before taking words out of context.

Originally Posted by JosehM

Yes, You are correct in your assumption. Because I exist, Christ exists. But it is more correctly said that because Christ exists, I exist. Now that light which is Christ is in all men/women however it is not made manifest and in that sense you could sayl, it is not there. But the truth is that all are enlightened but all are not aware of the light to its fullnes.

Perhaps you see no difference still; but then again it is your perception.

Love in Christ,
JM

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by pattimax

Hey JM,
You say "you hear what I am saying", but to deny the humanity of Jesus makes Christianity meaningless.
you said,

I believe God was always here and doesn't need to come from somewhere to get to earth.

I don't believe you can whip, and spit on God. God is a spirit.

But if it were true, yes it would truly be amazing!

Spirits do not have blood. Do you deny Jesus' life, teachings, and miracles? Surely not. Do I misunderstand you?

Sincerely, pattimax

Hello Pattimax,
Yes, I think you do misunderstand me.
Perhaps my understandings may be a bit different but no, I do not deny his teachings or miracles. I was not there to say otherwise. Besides he gave the same power to all believers and I have both seen and experienced myself many of them work miracles by the same authority. So why should I deny?

Love in Christ,
JM

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Hello Pattimax,
Yes, I think you do misunderstand me.
Perhaps my understandings may be a bit different but no, I do not deny his teachings or miracles. I was not there to say otherwise. Besides he gave the same power to all believers and I have both seen and experienced myself many of them work miracles by the same authority. So why should I deny?

Love in Christ,
JM

Hi JM,
Why, indeed?
Sincerely, pattimax

[BlaznFattyz]

im seeing a pattern of misunderstanding, try to speak more c-l-e-a-r-l-y.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by JosephM

Joshua,

It is always best to read the entire paragraph for understanding before taking words out of context.



Perhaps you see no difference still; but then again it is your perception.

Love in Christ,
JM

Indeed, and it is always best to take what is said in context and not fancy. Perhaps you see no difference.

but then again, that may be why people take offense to your thoughts here in the Christian forum...

v/r

Joshua

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

I always thought that the forbidden fruit coming from a tree at the center of the garden had special significance--in regards to self-centeredness:

Hmm...self-centered judgement?

Why do the cows say "mu", because their jaw structure prohibits them from uttering anything else.

Don't see where you get self centeredness from desire and curiosity, unless you mean "I want what I want".

I don't think self centeredness has anything to do with the tree at the center of a garden, since we don't know where the tree was to begin with. In fact there were two trees. And If I'm not mistaken the tree of life and the tree of knowledge were in two different areas.

Even so, I think the tree of knowledge must have been at the center, since we all think we know better than everyone else, and tend to attempt to put others in their place with our own "knowledge"...



v/r

Joshua

[JosephM]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Only way Christ can be within any man, is if that man invites Him in. That too is biblical. There can be no assumption that Christs resides within a man without the man's consent.

My beloved Joshua,
It is also biblical that there would be no man if there was no Christ. Christ lives, therefore I exist. John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
It is without exception. Man would not continue to exist without Christ. That which made man also sustains him.

(snip)

I see where Dor is going with this, and the Bible backs him up. God's love is not unconditional for those who refuse to accept His authority. Then He becomes Judge over His creation.

We are to love our neighbor as ourself. Do you think God's love is any less than this. It must be unconditional or it is not love. Are you to only love them that love you? God is no respecter of persons. He loves all equally and unconditionally. He did not make man out of love with the full knowledge that as soon as man disobeyed and refused him he would no longer love him. He is all-knowing. This is foolishness to think his infinite love is not unconditional. That which says otherwise is nothing other than a projection of mans ego.

(snip)

We see the results today for failing to adhere to these "laws", and we wonder why the world is going to hell in a handbag...

The world is doing no such thing, except in your mind. God has always been, is, and will always be in perfect control in a universe designed divinely so that ..... Ephes. 1:10
" That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one ALL things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: "

Only Christianity commands us to consider others first, and act accordingly. Nothing about Christianity is about SELF first. No other faith does this.

And you speak to me of arrogance.......
Perhaps you project on others that which you find in yourself.

Even Ghandi recognized the impossiblity of a perfect "Christian". Though he did acknowledge those that were close...

And if you speak for Ghandi then surely you don't speak for Jesus where he said... Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

As if Jesus would ask us to do something that is impossible. And you being a moderator and master of the Bible do not know of such things?

Love in Christ,
JM

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by JosephM

My beloved Joshua,
It is also biblical that there would be no man if there was no Christ. Christ lives, therefore I exist. John 1:3

As you point out. Christ exists, therefore I exist...we are in agreement.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Why do the cows say "mu", because their jaw structure prohibits them from uttering anything else.

Don't see where you get self centeredness from desire and curiosity, unless you mean "I want what I want".

I don't think self centeredness has anything to do with the tree at the center of a garden, since we don't know where the tree was to begin with. In fact there were two trees. And If I'm not mistaken the tree of life and the tree of knowledge were in two different areas.

That's cool, Q. From the scriptures, we don't know whether the same types of trees grew elsewhere in the garden, or not. I posted the scriptures that specified the "tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden." (Genesis 2:8-9, 15-17.) I just thought it was an interesting parallel.

Even so, I think the tree of knowledge must have been at the center, since we all think we know better than everyone else, and tend to attempt to put others in their place with our own "knowledge"...



v/r

Joshua

Aye, that we do.

[Faithfulservant]

I always thought it was pride that the tree introduced.. even the saying pride goeth before the fall.. literally.. satans fall was because of pride..

I was studying the book of john and when Jesus was speaking of Himself being the bread of life and that all that partake of the bread will surely live forever... then I began to wonder if the apple was the same thing.. not really an apple but it cause them to surely die.. so much as contemplating all that the serpent had to say regarding pride and self awareness of sin. Whereas the bread we partake of the bread of life out of faith by listening to Jesus... anyways its just a thought and by no means am I developing a doctrine because of this.. just thought it would be interesting to find out when all knowledge is given..

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I always thought it was pride that the tree introduced.. even the saying pride goeth before the fall.. literally.. satans fall was because of pride..

Interesting how everyone started blaming everyone else for their eating of the forbidden fruit. Adam blamed Eve, and Eve blamed the serpent. Once again, pride. {Very interesting, thanks for bringing it up, Faithfulservant}

I was studying the book of john and when Jesus was speaking of Himself being the bread of life and that all that partake of the bread will surely live forever... then I began to wonder if the apple was the same thing.. not really an apple but it cause them to surely die.. so much as contemplating all that the serpent had to say regarding pride and self awareness of sin. Whereas the bread we partake of the bread of life out of faith by listening to Jesus... anyways its just a thought and by no means am I developing a doctrine because of this.. just thought it would be interesting to find out when all knowledge is given..

Everyone tried to blame Jesus for their own faults, which resulted in their killing Jesus, and yet Jesus took on our burden of sins to show and teach us a better way.
Hmm, it started with the serpent in one tree, we are redeemed by Jesus dying on another tree. Thanks again, for bringing this up.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Even so, I think the tree of knowledge must have been at the center, since we all think we know better than everyone else, and tend to attempt to put others in their place with our own "knowledge"...

Quahom, why do you persist to say that everyone has the same motives as you? Do WE all think the same, or do WE think differently?

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

Quahom, why do you persist to say that everyone has the same motives as you? Do WE all think the same, or do WE think differently?

Uh, maybe because "we" outnumber you. Therefore I present the majority thought on the matter.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Uh, maybe because "we" outnumber you. Therefore I present the majority thought on the matter.

Then thank you for putting me in my place and verifying that you and I think differently.