Christ's Kingdom? - Page 3

Bandit · 07-08-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Proph 1

Bandit,

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question that was not directed to you. However, since you did invite yourself into the conversation, let me explain myself. When I said "preach" all I ment was discussing what I believe. I didnt mean to litterally preach to you guys. How can I, when all I can do is type written words? That said however, I dont agree with you that it takes a lifetime to become a pastor. You see, anyone born again, and reborn with the Spirit of truth, will know the truth. And, while we are not all called to be preachers, we are all (God's People) called to preach. That is all I mean when I say preach - witness the word.

Later!

you sound like someone else i know who has been here a couple of different times already.

i wonder who that could be.

it does not matter, because the way the board here is set up right now anyone can speak in any thread that is started because it is a group discussion board & there is no place to do a one on one.

you are right we disagree. if you know the bible then you would know what it takes to become a pastor or a bishop- you dont sound like a very good preacher to me & definately not someone i would accept as a pastor.

Proph 1 · 07-08-2005, 09:06 PM

I never said I was a preacher, just that I preach. Or better yet, witness.

Later!

lunamoth · 07-08-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

you sound like someone else i know who has been here a couple of different times already.

i wonder who that could be.

I was thinking the same thing...

A question for Mee:

I've been wondering for a while why you always capitalize the word YOU when you quote from scripture. Does it mean it applies to us, but not to yourself???? Is it a JW thing?

lunamoth

mee · 07-08-2005, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

I was thinking the same thing...

A question for Mee:

I've been wondering for a while why you always capitalize the word YOU when you quote from scripture. Does it mean it applies to us, but not to yourself???? Is it a JW thing?

lunamoth

oh ,i never really noticed that , but that is the way it is in the bible i am using ,so i thought it would be best to put down how it reads in my bible ,i might be wrong but i suspect that because it is a word for word translation that it is meant to be that way.i could be wrong , something to look into thou. dont worry i wasnt pointing the finger at any body

Quahom1 · 07-09-2005, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tommy

Hey Proph, welcome to CR. A cult has a leader, like a pope or a father. The JW's have neither. Most of them have read the entire Bible line by line, have you? If you have it talks about Jesus' main commandment which is to love one another like Jesus loved you.

A cult is a group of people devoted to beliefs and goals which may be contradictory to those held by the majority of society. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream. (Wikipedia Encyclopedia)

Catholocism for example: is not identified as a cult, Nor is Baptist, Lutheranism, Calvaryism, Penacostalism, Anglicanism, Episcopalianism, or other mainstream Christian faiths. However, Jehovah's Witness movement is identified as a cult (though it is now considered such under decreasing consensus), as is Scientology.

One to think about.

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tommy · 07-09-2005, 07:34 AM

Constable:
This was the same issue you as a moderator were correcting Proph the other day for attacking another ones faith. I posted for a while on Catholic Answers and found then all to be like Proph. I posted on the Cleveland forum and found them to continually attack each others faith and act like little kids. I was simply defending the "attack" from Proph. I liked this site because it didn't happen here and found true christian brotherly love here from most everyone, something sort of amazing on a forum. I am only a Bible Student trying to find what my faith is.

Some define a sect to mean a group that has broken away from an established religion. Others apply the term to that who follows a leader. The term cult here is used in a derogatory way as JW's were not an offshoot of any religion and include people from all walks of life that have jobes like you and I. They do not look upon any human, only Jesus as their leader.

A cult is a religion that is said to be unorthodox or that emphasizes devotion according to a ritual. Our group has been a kind loving group of true Christians that really care about us and has helped us with many family matters and we study out of a lovely book, called the Family Happiness Book that ties scriptures into making the family stronger. We do not believe in war or anything that hurts someone else and believe the key to true happiness is a sincere devotion to Jehovah God through Jesus, that was Jesus' only other commandment other then love the one you may hate.

The standard for what is orthodox should be Gods word and Jehovah Witnesses stick to the Bible very strickly and encourages their members to read it daily, something other facets of religion choose to ignore.

Their worship is a way of life not a ritual, which would be a cult. There are 6,000,000 of them out there and during my 40 years I have checked out a lot of religions and this one has made a HUGE difference in my families life. Lots of love to you, tommy

Quahom1 · 07-09-2005, 08:01 AM

Gonna "correct" you on the same concept. Your definition of a cult is not mainstream. You can't attack, or criticize other "faiths" without being subject to critisism, yourself! YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS!!! Get it?

Your faith isn't mainstream. And it is young. (Young minds fresh ideas, must be tolerant...).

That does not mean the rest of the Christian world must listen to rhetoric, and can not respond back. (oh my, that sounds like Mohammed in the begining of Islam).

You do not want me for example to show how Catholics have all the right answers, and you are completely wrong...now do you? I assure you, there are people (besides me), that can pull up Christian dogma from every part of this faith, and would bury any other part of the faith...

You be nice, we'll be nice.

Oh, and I didn't make up the rules about what a cult is, and what it isn't. You can scream at others for that.

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mee · 07-09-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

A cult is a group of people devoted to beliefs and goals which may be contradictory to those held by the majority of society. Its marginal status may come about either due to its novel belief system or due to idiosyncratic practices that cause the surrounding culture to regard it as far outside the mainstream. (Wikipedia Encyclopedia)

Catholocism for example: is not identified as a cult, Nor is Baptist, Lutheranism, Calvaryism, Penacostalism, Anglicanism, Episcopalianism, or other mainstream Christian faiths. However, Jehovah's Witness movement is identified as a cult (though it is now considered such under decreasing consensus), as is Scientology.

One to think about

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yes this is something to think about ,in fact ,if we look at when jesus early followers were on the earth we can see from the bible that they were acused of being radicalwith views and pratices that clashed with what was eccepted as normal behavior and where did it come from, the religious leaders of the day.

The principal men of the Jews in Rome accurately described the situation of Jesus’ followers when they acknowledged: For truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against.—Acts 28:22.

Evidently, this new group established by Jesus Christ was considered by some to be a religious group with radical views and practices that clashed with what was accepted in those days as normal social behavior. Undoubtedly, many today would have considered the Christians a destructive cult. The accusers were often prominent and respected members of the community, and this seems to have added weight to the allegations. Many believed the accusations against Jesus and his disciples. Yet, as you probably know, every one of these charges was false! The fact that people said these things did not make them true.........food for thought i thought

mee · 07-09-2005, 08:42 AM

Anyway getting back to the kingdom, as this is about the kingdom thread. the kingdom was the focus of Jesus teaching , he said,I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God .he said ,because for this i was sent forth ...luke 4;43christ commanded his disciples to share that same message with others ...matthew 28;19-20This good news of the kingdom he foretold will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations and then the end will come....matthew 24;14 so does anyone tell others about this good news of a better goverment, with christ as king of that rulership?Yes the kingdom is Gods means of expressing his sovereinty over the earth psalm 2;7-12 daniel 7;13-14

Bandit · 07-09-2005, 08:46 AM

i dont think it is good to call any bible believing denomination a cult. Neither do i think it is fair to call any of them a heretic.

none of them have it all & neither do i. they all lack because they spend too much time trying to prove each other wrong.
2000 years of dogma & goop since Jesus. killing, slandering, backbiting.

i am the least of the least of all denominations & all religions singled out together but i am still standing. we hurt each other when we do this & i think it hurts Jesus even more.

mee · 08-02-2005, 10:06 AM

will it not be great when lasting peace is brought about through the messianic Kingdom of God....DANIEL 2;44

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite

(Matthew 6:10) Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth....Yes the bible tells us that Jesus is the one who is the king of this heavenly kingdom

(John 18:36) Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."yes Jesus is the one who has the legal right to that kingdom because he is Gods son

(Genesis 49:10) The scepter will not turn aside from Judah, neither the commander’s staff from between his feet, until Shi´loh comes; and to him the obedience of the peoples will belong......yes this shi loh is Jesus Gods Son

"Shiloh." Or, "the one whose it is." Heb., Shi·loh´, meaning "He Whose It Is," or, "He to Whom It Belongs"; LXX, "the things stored up for him"; Vg, "he who is to be sent."

For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace...Isaiah 9;6-7

mee · 08-07-2005, 09:02 AM

is it not Good news to know that Gods established Kingdom in the heavens will bring peace to the earth ,what with all of the bad news on the news and the newspapers . what a fantastic hope to know that it will not always be badnews on the earth, but all of the horrible things will be done away with for ever. and how come? only through the rulership of Jesus christ

For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace...Isaiah 9; 6-9

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite...Daniel 2;44

mee · 08-13-2005, 06:33 PM

But Jesus kept silent. So the high priest said to him: "By the living God I put you under oath to tell us whether you are the Christ the Son of God!" Jesus said to him: "You yourself said [it]. Yet I say to YOU men, From henceforth YOU will see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of power and coming on the clouds of heaven....matthew 26;63-64

I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man (Jesus)happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days(Jehovah) he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin...Daniel 7;13-14

(Acts 7:56) and he said: "Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man (Jesus)standing at God’s right hand

(Revelation 14:14) And I saw, and, look! a white cloud, and upon the cloud someone seated like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head and a sharp sickle in his hand............looks like Jesus has got plenty of work to do after being made king of Gods kingdom

(Revelation 1:7) Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen...yes Jesus is now in heaven with great ruling power given him by his father Jehovah God

Faithfulservant · 08-13-2005, 06:43 PM

For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace...Isaiah 9; 6-9

Yep.. Praise Jesus.. Marantha!

Quahom1 · 08-13-2005, 08:14 PM

Considering the amount of suffering, pestulance, and "EVIL" still rocking this world, and considering the climate changes, plate shifts, and volcanic activity that has increased by 10 fold over the last 100 years, I'd surmise that Christ's Kingdom is not yet at hand. It certainly is not due to passing asteroids, or the Sun's activity. Planets have not changed orbit or velocity. The earth hasn't sped up or slowed down in rotation. Global warming does not account for what happens below the surface of the planet.

If it (His Kingdom) is at hand, then Christ would be failing as a ruler (which I doubt), and opposing forces would be winning. I personally never considered Christ the underdog in this war of principalities, therefore I can only surmise that His time has not yet come.

And since with all the bad happening, there seems to be a great deal of good going on, to counter it (as in keeping balance), then I must by default surmise that the Holy Spirit of God is still among us, lending us encouragement, strength, and wisdom.

From what I understand, once Jesus enters the theater, all this crap happening will be over in one day, not years or decades later, but a single day, followed by a thousand years of peace.

Look around you...where is the peace? There is none. There is only detente, truces, and war.

All this pain however, reminds me of a woman in the beginnings of childbirth...hmmm, where did I read that before?

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