Christ's Kingdom?

[Faithfulservant]

The Father gave Jesus the throne.. in essence God gave Himself the throne.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

That may be a general opinion of certain translators, but not a recognized "fact". Nor is it mainstream consensous.

So, the older bibles have counterfeit verses in them, and your newer one does not...is that correct?

Do you realize how presumptuous that sounds? Rather insulting.

v/r

Q

as long as what i am saying is truth ,i really dont bother if i do sound presumptous ,i am quite sure that Jesus himself sounded presumptous to those who did not like what he said ,that is not to say that you do not like truth ,but it does not concern me if others wrongly think i am presumptous.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

The Father gave Jesus the throne.. in essence God gave Himself the throne.

the bible tells me that the ruling power was given to Jesus by God


(Matthew 28:18) And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth...........if i was to tell someone that something had been given me i dont think i would be telling others that i myself gave it to me,it would be someone else.........that sounds logical enough to me, we have to be careful not to add our own thoughts to the bible

(Acts 2:30) Therefore because he (David)was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one from the fruitage of his loins (or one of his offspring)upon his throne......so Jesus as the first-born offspring of Jehovah who is also in the line of David is the one to be given the kingship in the heavens

(Revelation 3:21) To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.............yes Jesus conquered and sat down with his father on his fathers throne

But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God....hebrews 10;12

(Hebrews 12:2) as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God....yes this is the one (jesus)that conquered, and now Jehovah has given him authority

(1 Peter 3:22) He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him

[Faithfulservant]

the bible tells me that the ruling power was given to Jesus by God


(Matthew 28:18) And Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth...........if i was to tell someone that something had been given me i dont think i would be telling others that i myself gave it to me,it would be someone else.........that sounds logical enough to me, we have to be careful not to add our own thoughts to the bible

Interesting that you quoted this scripture.. If you read verse 19

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Amazing that is... in the NAME of the FATHER the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT


20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

Wow this one is good too... I am with you ALWAYS.. that must mean He is omnipresent.. who but God is omnipresent?

Hey I liked verse 18 also.. He has been given ALL authority in heaven and on earth... ALL authority implies that noone can boss Him around.. He is not subject to anyone elses authority... Thats a pretty massive statement made by our savior.

(Acts 2:30) Therefore because he (David)was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath that he would seat one from the fruitage of his loins (or one of his offspring)upon his throne......so Jesus as the first-born offspring of Jehovah who is also in the line of David is the one to be given the kingship in the heavens

Yep.. I wouldnt agree if you were implying that the Father copulated with Mary, however. Jesus's lineage was carried down through Mary. It was an immaculate conception.. Mary was impregnated by the Holy Spirit.

(Revelation 3:21) To the one that conquers I will grant to sit down with me on my throne, even as I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.............yes Jesus conquered and sat down with his father on his fathers throne

Key words.. His Father. Your Father and My Father..

But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God....hebrews 10;12

Yes.. One of His names is The Righteous Right Hand... You also have the Holy Spirit and the Father sitting there.. amazing sight that would be.

(Hebrews 12:2) as we look intently at the Chief Agent and Perfecter of our faith, Jesus. For the joy that was set before him he endured a torture stake, despising shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God....yes this is the one (jesus)that conquered, and now Jehovah has given him authority

Yes Jesus made His sacrifice and ascended to the Father to be made King of Kings and Lord of Lords.. He is no longer fully man and fully God because He achieved his perfect and incorruptible body. So much so that He was unrecognizable when He resurrected. I cant wait

(1 Peter 3:22) He is at God’s right hand, for he went his way to heaven; and angels and authorities and powers were made subject to him

Yes we agree on this.. He has ALL authority in heaven and on earth because He is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. We also agree that He is the right hand of God.. He is the one that acts for God He is the one that does the work of God.. He was a co-creator.. He was the one that walked with Abraham.. He was the one that spoke with Moses..He was the one that spoke with Noah and told him how to build the Arc.. He was the one that spoke with Jonah.. He was the one that wrestled with Jacob.. He is the Word that was in the beginning and shared the glory with the Father...He was with God and He was God..ALL things were made through Him...He was the one that agreed to be born into flesh to live a perfect life that man might be shown their sins and to set Himself as an example to us.... He is the savior of Man.. He is the Redeemer.. He is the slain Lamb who shed His blood that we might be made perfect through sanctification. He is worthy of Praise.. He is worthy of Worship ... He is worthy of Glory.. God is the only one worthy of those things. He is God.

Yes

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

as long as what i am saying is truth ,i really dont bother if i do sound presumptous ,i am quite sure that Jesus himself sounded presumptous to those who did not like what he said ,that is not to say that you do not like truth ,but it does not concern me if others wrongly think i am presumptous.

Reminds me of the 11 blind men and the elephant...each one's description of the elephant was exactly true, and totally wrong.

v/r

Q

[mee]

psalm 37;10For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. KJV......................................A little while, and the wicked will be no more;
though you look for them, they will not be found. NIV wow just think when the kingdom of God has removed all opposers of his kingdom(Daniel 2;44)it will be impossible to find any wicked on the earth because there will not be any .so no more locks and bars, because we will not need them in the new earth .2 peter 3;13 .and this will come about because Jesus is the right ruler for the earth . great, new rulership for the earth .yes Jesus as the rightrful ruler will bring peace to the earth. yipee

[seattlegal]

IMHO, Christ's Kingdom is when people have God's law written on their hearts and their minds. Please consider these scriptures:

Originally Posted by Jeremiah 31:31-34

31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”

Compare Hebrews Chapter 8, Hebrews Chapter 10, and Romans Chapter 2.

Please consider what Jesus had to say about God's Law:

Originally Posted by Mark 12:28-34

28 Then one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, perceiving that He had answered them well, asked Him, “Which is the first commandment of all?”
29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. 33 And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
34 Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
But after that no one dared question Him.

Compare Luke Chapter 10, to see who constitues "a neighbor."

[Faithfulservant]

Welcome to CR Seattlegal Good luck with our resident Jehovah's Witness.. He's pretty stubborn

Hows the weather up there? I miss it since Ive been in Texas :/

[Quahom1]

ouch...

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Welcome to CR Seattlegal Good luck with our resident Jehovah's Witness.. He's pretty stubborn

Hows the weather up there? I miss it since Ive been in Texas :/

Thanks for the welcome, Faithfulservant.
We've had a drought over the winter, but slightly more rain during this summer than we normally have.
Here's a picture to help remind you of the Puget Sound area:

[mee]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

IMHO, Christ's Kingdom is when people have God's law written on their hearts and their minds. Please consider these scriptures:

Compare Hebrews Chapter 8, Hebrews Chapter 10, and Romans Chapter 2.

Please consider what Jesus had to say about God's Law:

Compare Luke Chapter 10, to see who constitues "a neighbor."

yes that is true , when the wicked are gone ,only rightous ones will be left over in the earth,Those who have Gods ways in their heart will inherit the earth and live under the rulership of God .not like now where we are living under manmade rulership . but as Daniel 2;44 tells us manmade rulership will come to its end and Gods rulership will fill the whole earth.
Does it sound strange that anyone would be an enemy of God’s government? Yet not everyone wants to live under a government that requires its subjects to do what is right. So after telling how Jehovah and his Son would take over world rulership, the Bible says, the nations became wrathful. (Revelation 11:15, 17, 18) The nations do not welcome God’s kingdom because Satan misleads them into opposing it......yes this kingdom or goverment was established in the heavens in 1914 right on time and in line with bible prophecy. some people say that Jesus started ruling in the heavens right after his resurrection ,but the bible tells us that he was waitingfor the time when he would start ruling.

But this [man] offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and sat down at the right hand of God, from then on awaiting until his enemies should be placed as a stool for his feet....hebrews 10;12-13

When the time came for Christ to begin to rule, Jehovah told him: "Go subduing [or, conquering] in the midst of your enemies."—Psalm 110:1, 2, 5, 6..........yes this king of Gods goverment will acomplish what manmade goverments cannot.total peace on earth

The start of the rule of God’s kingdom does not mean immediate peace and security on earth. True peace will come later when God’s kingdom takes full control of the earth

For any nation and any kingdom that will not serve you will perish; and the nations themselves will without fail come to devastation...Isaiah 60;12

[mee]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Thanks for the welcome, Faithfulservant.
We've had a drought over the winter, but slightly more rain during this summer than we normally have.
Here's a picture to help remind you of the Puget Sound area:

Hi there from mee,
If, when you are doing good and you suffer, you endure it, this is a thing agreeable with God.—1 PETER 2:20 just a little thought from the Jehovahs witness.....ouch...ouch....ouch..... My beliefs as a Jehovahs witness are different to the mainstream religions of christendom so you will notice a few ouches along the way

[Faithfulservant]

yeah rain.... sigh

lol mee I see the biggest difference between our two faiths is that you believe my faith is babylon.. :P I believe yours just keeps you in bondage. so yes we must suffer and endure till the end and continue to love each other with the love that Christ has for us.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by mee

Hi there from mee,
If, when you are doing good and you suffer, you endure it, this is a thing agreeable with God.—1 PETER 2:20 just a little thought from the Jehovahs witness.....ouch...ouch....ouch..... My beliefs as a Jehovahs witness are different to the mainstream religions of christendom so you will notice a few ouches along the way

Greetings, mee. It's OK for there to be a few ouches. Christ told us that his followers would be persecuted.

Originally Posted by mee

yes that is true , when the wicked are gone ,only rightous ones will be left over in the earth,Those who have Gods ways in their heart will inherit the earth and live under the rulership of God .not like now where we are living under manmade rulership . but as Daniel 2;44 tells us manmade rulership will come to its end and Gods rulership will fill the whole earth.

I think that it is self-evident that while there are those on the earth who cannot practice self-control {one of the fruits of the Spirit}, government is a necessary evil, and should be recognized as such.

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

yeah rain.... sigh

lol mee I see the biggest difference between our two faiths is that you believe my faith is babylon.. :P I believe yours just keeps you in bondage. so yes we must suffer and endure till the end and continue to love each other with the love that Christ has for us.

IMHO, it is good to keep these scriptures in mind regarding this:

Originally Posted by Jesus

John 13:34-35 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Originally Posted by Jesus

Matt 7:1-5, 20 1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
<...>20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them...

[mee]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Greetings, mee. It's OK for there to be a few ouches. Christ told us that his followers would be persecuted.

I think that it is self-evident that while there are those on the earth who cannot practice self-control {one of the fruits of the Spirit}, government is a necessary evil, and should be recognized as such.

IMHO, it is good to keep these scriptures in mind regarding this:

yes i agree that we do need to be obedient to the rules of the manmade goverments ,
First-century Christians willingly submitted to the laws and regulations of those who were "superior authorities"—that is, the ruling powers of the day. (Romans 13:1

Romans 13:1, 4) But Christians still viewed God’s law as superior.

but as sincere as they maybe , man was not created to rule himself independent of God . we were not in the first place created to rule ourselves,that was not Gods original purpose , we all know what happened in the Garden of eden to end up with the world as it is now .but Gods kingdom which is Gods way of ruling will put us back inline with Gods rule , i find it really thrilling to be living in this time of the end, because the prophecies are well along and there are thrilling times ahead for those who want to be ruled by God .