Christ's Kingdom? - Page 7

seattlegal · 09-02-2005, 11:30 AM

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i find it really thrilling to be living in this time of the end, because the prophecies are well along and there are thrilling times ahead for those who want to be ruled by God .

Mee, have you ever had the "thrill" of going through the labor pains leading to childbirth?

Faithfulservant · 09-02-2005, 01:14 PM

oooooh good analogy! Being a mom of 2 I completely got that one.

mee · 09-02-2005, 03:45 PM

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Mee, have you ever had the "thrill" of going through the labor pains leading to childbirth?

the end result is well worth it ,is that what you mean?if so the end result regarding Gods kingdom will be worth it , this old manmade system is near the brink, then when the kingdom in the hands of Jesus christ has acomplished everything that Jehovah wants , Jesus will hand the kingdom back to his father Jehovah .
Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. For [God] "subjected all things under his feet." But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone....1 corinthians 15;24-28 yes ,Jesus will even do away with death..... then we will live forever like Jehovah intended in the first place before the sin of Adam

Faithfulservant · 09-03-2005, 12:21 AM

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when the kingdom in the hands of Jesus christ has acomplished everything that Jehovah wants , Jesus will hand the kingdom back to his father Jehovah .

Luke 1:33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end."

Bandit · 09-03-2005, 03:47 AM

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Jesus will hand the kingdom back to his father Jehovah .

i agree Mee. the son lays down his power, rule & authority, giving it back to God. He delivers the kingdom to God his father, & the son becomes subject to God, that God may be all in all. The Kingdom will be forever & ever.

i like the KJV better.

1 Corinthians 15:24,28 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

mee · 09-19-2005, 10:40 AM

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i agree Mee. the son lays down his power, rule & authority, giving it back to God. He delivers the kingdom to God his father, & the son becomes subject to God, that God may be all in all. The Kingdom will be forever & ever.

i like the KJV better.

1 Corinthians 15:24,28 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Yes , and then death will be swallowed up forever . death is all we have ever know on this earth . but the kingdom of God will even get rid of death of mankind
And death and Ha´des were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire REV 20;14 hades is the common grave of mankind so it will be totally destroyed .wow what a thought only everlasting life , nomore death anouncements in the newspapers,maybe there will be resurrection anouncements instead...LOL

mee · 09-29-2005, 10:43 AM

And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory...luke 21;27

(Matthew 24:30) And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

(Mark 13:26) And then they will see the Son of man coming in clouds with great power and glory.

(Revelation 1:7) Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him. Yes, Amen...... yes would you not agree that Jesus is in heaven with power and great glory ? he is the king of Gods kingdom ,do not your eyes have the understanding to see that this is so? we do not see with our litral eyes but we see with our eyes of understanding some say Jesus will come back litraly to the earth ,but it is not a litral seeing of Jesus but a (oh now i understand and recognize what Jesus is doing) but the question is do we recognize Jesus and his heavenly kingship according to the bible ? do we recognize that since 1914 we have been living in what the bible calls the last days of man ruling himself independent of God?

BlaznFattyz · 09-29-2005, 06:37 PM

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do we recognize that since 1914 we have been living in what the bible calls the last days of man ruling himself independent of God?

No, that is completely ridiculous. man has been sinning since he was first created. we have sinned so bad that even sodom and gommorah had to be destroyed, then the world had to be flooded, then at the tower of babel we had to be dispersed. there have been wars since man could make weapons. because jw are trying to prophesize a date, yet have failed many times in doing so, i would be careful continuing this practice.

mee · 09-30-2005, 10:56 AM

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No, that is completely ridiculous. man has been sinning since he was first created. we have sinned so bad that even sodom and gommorah had to be destroyed, then the world had to be flooded, then at the tower of babel we had to be dispersed. there have been wars since man could make weapons. because jw are trying to prophesize a date, yet have failed many times in doing so, i would be careful continuing this practice.

did i say that we were not sinning

yes you are so right , in times past Jehovah did destroy those who were not living according to his ways and standards, and many today are again living in amongst a crooked generation
"O faithless and twisted generation, how long must I continue with you and put up with you?"—LUKE 9:41. They have acted ruinously on their own part;They are not his children the defect is their own.a generation crooked and twisted ....Dueteronomy 32;5

that is why Jesus will act on behalf of his father Jehovah ,to make known to this generation of faithless and twisted, that he is King of Gods kingdom and every eye will see and have understanding ,but the question is have they put faith in Jesus and his kingdom? or will they not put faith in Jesus ? the bible tells us we can be saved from this wicked generation of people w ho like to make their own rules as to what is right and what is wrong .Jesus will do many things as king of Gods kingdom ,and one of those things is to judge the nations as to how they have acted are they Godly or are they wicked yes you are right we cannot put any date as to when he will go into action we can only make sure we are not part of the Generation of wicked ones, then we will not be judged adversally

But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men...2; peter 3;7 fire sybolizes total destruction it does not mean the earth will be litrally burning , but the heavens which in the bible sometimes refer to the ruling powers will be destroyed,that is to say that the ruling powers of mankind will be destroyed Daniel 2;44 and the earth can sometimes refer to the earthly society of the people on it ,so the earth will be destroyed because they are a crooked and wicked generation .but notice it tells us that it will only be the ungodly who will be destroyed so i am sure that the judging by Jesus christ will be done in a just way

BlaznFattyz · 09-30-2005, 05:50 PM

"did i say that we were not sinning"

you clearly made a distinction in mans sin with your 1914 date.

mee · 10-01-2005, 05:58 PM

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"did i say that we were not sinning"

you clearly made a distinction in mans sin with your 1914 date.

yes i said that since 1914, we have been living (in the last days)of man ruling himself independant of God ,right back in Eden we made the choice to rule our selves independent of God ,by not listening to his instructions but making our own decisions and since 1914 it was the time of the end for man to do that

BlaznFattyz · 10-01-2005, 07:55 PM

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yes i said that since 1914, we have been living (in the last days)of man ruling himself independant of God ,right back in Eden we made the choice to rule our selves independent of God ,by not listening to his instructions but making our own decisions and since 1914 it was the time of the end for man to do that

but dont you think that americas higher ground reasons to go to war contradict what you are saying about ruling ourselves and being independent from god? we have gone to war to stop dictatorships and military powers that would make the world unsafe with little or no freedom, because we believe in protecting god given rights.

mee · 10-02-2005, 04:03 PM

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but dont you think that americas higher ground reasons to go to war contradict what you are saying about ruling ourselves and being independent from god? we have gone to war to stop dictatorships and military powers that would make the world unsafe with little or no freedom, because we believe in protecting god given rights.

which just goes to show that man was not created to rule himself independent of God ,look at the mess man makes with the political devisions that do not mix even thou some goverments are trying their best to rule in the right way it was not Gods purpose for man to rule himself
I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step jeremiah 10;23 only Gods kingdom Goverment will succeed in the right way Daniel 2;44

BlaznFattyz · 10-02-2005, 04:32 PM

but we have to, god gives authority to who he wishes. we have to make the best of it. of course it wont be perfect, but we should try to be godly in our attempts.

instead of using 1914 since jw have a bad record of picking dates, and the world has been destroyed already for being evil before that date, why not pick the day adam and eve sinned, surely that decision has killed more people than any war. death comes to us all because of their sin, which is more than ww1's deathtoll.

mee · 10-02-2005, 07:19 PM

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but we have to, god gives authority to who he wishes. we have to make the best of it. of course it wont be perfect, but we should try to be godly in our attempts.

instead of using 1914 since jw have a bad record of picking dates, and the world has been destroyed already for being evil before that date, why not pick the day adam and eve sinned, surely that decision has killed more people than any war. death comes to us all because of their sin, which is more than ww1's deathtoll.

yes God does give authority to who he wants to, thats why in 1914; Jesus was crowned king of Gods heavenly kingdom, Jehovah God has allowed man to rule himself to prove that man cannot rule himself independent of God , and i think the facts speak for themselves . and yes ,we have had to make the best of a bad thing. but when only Gods way of ruling is going on all over the world what a difference that will be
And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite ...daniel 2;44

For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. To the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of justice and by means of righteousness, from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this...isaiah 9;6-7

(Daniel 7:14) And to him (Jesus)there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin..........yes we have had enough of manmade rulership bring on the only way to peace

Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth...matthew 6;10